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December 13, 2007 5:48 AM PST
Opera files complaint against Microsoft
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Windows computer with IE is that small websites that I must
interact with for my business use some javascript which breaks
with other browsers. When I complain, they tell me that I must
use IE. To choose not to do business with them for this reason
would not be practical. All books on web programming explain
to readers early on that they must make their code work on all
modern browsers (and, if possible, older browsers). If this is too
difficult a task, there are several great javascript libraries/
frameworks which simplify the process by giving the
programmer a single interface to work with and handling
browser interoperability in the background. Wherever possible,
we should insist that these new programming techniques be
used. When the playing field is leveled, the best browser will
dominate.
I prefer IE not only for sites where it is the only browser that
works but for it's file saving interface that asks me each time
where I want to save a file and for its usually seamless
integration with helper applications. I don't have to run around
installing plugins and messing around with settings as much.
I prefer Safari wherever it works. It is fast and easy to use. It
works well with all Google owned content. It crashes
sometimes, which is annoying. Crashes are less frequent with
recent updates.
I use firefox where Safari does not work. Firefox has a loose,
bloated feel to it if that makes any sense. It is currently the best
browsers for developers, but I think Safari is catching up in this
area.
I have a problem with IE on my system which some other users
have complained about. When I type fast in a text box (as I am
doing right now), letters get dropped. This seems to have
improved with updates.
Regarding Opera, I have tried it, but I can't get used to it. I
guess that it is a matter of preference. When I tried it on a
Google site (I think Google Documents) and it told me that I was
using an incompatible browser, I gave up on it. I am sure that
they have resolved this by now.
Opera is supposed to be the best for mobile devices. I tried it
on my old Pocket PC and found it to be far superior to the built
in small version of IE. The downside is that it is not free (but not
too expensive either). Also, Safari on new Apple devices may be
an alternative for people who want good mobile browsing.
product didn't sell. MS could make the IE-less Windows fail to sell
too. But when will the masses stop buying Microsoft products?!
for those that don't remember, often develops new techniques
and tags that fall outside of the standards routine. One of these,
XMLHTTP, was introduced in IE5 and ended up being the
foundational technology for AJAX and hence all these lovely Web
2.0 applications.
Now, being forced to comply with standards doesn't necessarily
mean that one can't provide functionality outside of a standard.
However, in reality it often precludes this sort of work because
its rejected as being 'non-compliant'. While I'd like to see more
of MS' offerings be more compliant I don't like the idea of it
being enforced by rule of law.
If Opera was any good, everyone would be using it. I can install it on my Windows system, why can't everyone else? It's easy. I just prefer IE7 and would never bother with something like Opera.
The EU is a bunch of whinning babies.
As far as MS not following "Web Standards", so what? If they don't want to they shouldn't be forced into making IE compliant since again if you don't like it use another browser.
The EU will probably fine MS 1 million a day until they remove IE from Windows. My Take, if the EU wants to nit-pick Windows to death just don't offer it for sale there. My bet is that EU users will find a way to get Windows anyway.
To all of you that disagree, I just don't care so flame on.
Or am I wrong about this?
I believe I tried in the distant past to no avail and therefor used Internet Explorer for all the MS updates. I do this on many computers and because I do so, I find myself using Internet Explorer for all my surfing. I think Opera and Firefox both to be great and probably much better browsers, but for the reason above, I use IE 98 percent of the time.
- RE: Opera and Windows
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by blyons41
December 14, 2007 4:06 PM PST
- What the hell is Opera talking about. I've been using Opera since version 4.0. All the versions work fine in Windows XP AND Vista. I have had absolutely NO problems with any of Opera's versions with either OS. Me thinks this is another scam imposed by the European Commission to bankrupt Microsft and all succesful American Companies. Lets face it, if they can't make a better product than the Americans then they will legislate American Co. out of existance. I think we should have just fought Japan in 1941 and let Hitler have Europe.
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