Homeland Security dismisses Real ID privacy worries

ARLINGTON, Va.--A senior U.S. Department of Homeland Security official on Wednesday said he finds privacy concerns prompted by the proposed Real ID regime puzzling.

Stewart Baker, the department's assistant secretary for policy, said a forthcoming system of uniform national identification cards will not put more personal information into the hands of motor vehicle administrators or result in a massive centralized database that's more susceptible to hackers.

In fact, Baker said, the controversial law will improve Americans' privacy. "You can never foresee the future, but every indication is that Real ID is actually going to make it less easy for people to engage in identity theft," Baker told the Homeland Security Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee at its quarterly public meeting here.

Real ID has been a target of criticism since Congress enacted it three years ago as part of an "emergency" Iraq spending bill. Although Homeland Security has tried to defuse criticism by extending deadlines, the law still requires states to reconfigure their drivers licenses and share data. If they don't agree to comply by this October, their citizens won't be able to use their driver's licenses to board planes or enter federal buildings starting on May 11, 2008.

Baker said the process is privacy-protective because it will require Americans to produce legal documents like birth certificates, whose authenticity will be verified, before they can receive a card that meets Real ID protocol. That approach would allow, for instance, airport officials to be more confident in the identity of travelers when it comes time to check them against government watch lists, Baker said.

"You can never foresee the future, but every indication is that Real ID is actually going to make it less easy for people to engage in identity theft."
--Stewart Baker, Department of Homeland Security, assistant secretary for policy

Some states, including Maine, have rejected Real ID on cost grounds, however, and privacy advocates worry about what will happen to data on the IDs' mandatory bar code when it is scanned by banks, bars and other businesses. DHS ruled earlier this month that the data will not be encrypted because of "operational" concerns, such as police being able to easily scan the data from the backs of licenses during traffic stops.

Baker said Wednesday that the department would consider requiring encryption as it writes the final rules, but added: "If you impose encryption requirements that make that exchange of information difficult, you're undermining, not improving, security associated with driver's licenses, we don't want to do that."

Several members of the committee, composed of security companies, academia and nonprofit groups who make policy recommendations to Homeland Security privacy officials, raised concerns about the new system at Wednesday's meeting.

"With what happens now in airports, it doesn't look like it would matter how hard the document was to fake because no one looks at it closely enough to even think about that question," said committee Chairman J. Howard Beales, a George Washington University professor and former Federal Trade Commission official. "Is there a more elaborate process that's envisioned here?"

Baker said Homeland Security was considering taking over the identification check process and putting in stricter controls. Right now, people who check IDs in airport security lines are not generally government employees, he said.

Earlier in the meeting, Jonathan Frenkel, a senior policy adviser with Homeland Security, complained about what he called a rash of "misinformation" about draft national standards for ID cards.

For one thing, he said it's "utter nonsense" that the U.S. government is planning a "Big Brother kind of system" to track American citizens' every move through the cards, as one Missouri state legislator suggested this week.

Frenkel said that if the government really wanted to track cardholders, it would force all citizens to carry the cards. "Since no one is ever required to carry a Real ID...it makes no sense that the government would track something that (a person) doesn't have to carry," he said. (Many nations do require their citizens to carry such documents, and some Real ID critics view the law as the first step toward such a system.)

It also isn't true that only a Real ID card will allow a person to board an airplane or enter a federal building, Frenkel said. A U.S. passport issued by the State Department--new ones have RFID tracking chips embedded--would also qualify.

Privacy groups took issue with the agency's assertions. "It is not ridiculous to say that Real ID will create a national identification system that will allow people to be tracked," said Melissa Ngo, director of the Identification and Surveillance Project at the Electronic Privacy Information Center. "Real ID is ostensibly voluntary, but that just isn't true."

Barry Steinhardt, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Technology and Liberty Program, said the practical effect of the rules will be a "uniform" card with a machine-readable zone whose information can readily be harvested by outsiders.

CNET News.com's Declan McCullagh contributed to this report.

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no duh
by Dalkorian March 21, 2007 2:31 PM PDT
"A senior U.S. Department of Homeland Security official on Wednesday said he finds privacy concerns prompted by the proposed Real ID regime puzzling." Comments like this proves conclusively that they just don't get it. Or at least they hope that *YOU* don't understand the implications of this. Papers, please.
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What's the difference?
by Pete Bardo March 21, 2007 3:32 PM PDT
I've always had a problem with the Department of Homeland Security. The name itself should conjure up images of Hitler's Germany for any even slightly educated person. Every day the department acts more and more like the fascists our fathers and grandfathers fought to defeat. Accordingly, I don't need Real ID or a passport? I only need one if I board an airplane or enter a federal building? Let's see here. What exactly does that mean? I'll need Real ID: To visit the Social Security office to file a claim? To file for bankruptcy? To defend myself against federal charges? To appear as a witness in a Federal case? To apply in person for Food Stamps or general assistance? To apply in person for Medicaid or Medicare? To enter the Air and Space Museum? To observe our government inaction (sic)? To visit the Smithsonian? The list must be endless. They are saying this at the same time as "A massive new data mining project planned by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security" is being announced. No DHS won't be tracking the movements of us 'free' citizens. They're just going to analyze all the data--and then what? The federal government is charged with ensuring unrestricted travel from state to state. Real ID will effectively limit travel, by air at least, to those willing to put up with this crap. "Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty." Benjamin Franklin
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Bureaucrats say: Concern is unfounded.
by Solaris_User March 21, 2007 4:02 PM PDT
Bureaucrat: "Pay no attention to people who are concerned about your privacy, we just simply want to make a database with all your personal information in it that is easily searchable and cross linkable to every where you go, every thing you buy, and every thing you say... whats there problem with that?" Thanks anyhow government, but you do not need this information.
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Government watch lists?
by davez2006 March 21, 2007 4:15 PM PDT
What is the purpose of GWL? To keep people off the planes. What does it matter that someone who has gone thru the airport security theater gets on a plane?
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Voluntary?
by aka_tripleB March 21, 2007 4:24 PM PDT
If you're going to want to fly or need to enter a federal building (probably more necessary than even I think it is), it's mandentory. I mean, even the post office is a federal building, are you going to need this "real" ID to buy stamps? I don't think everyone in this country is a morron, and believes that load of ****! Je dis, "vivent la révolution!" I don't mean anything too drastic by that, but I think the country has become too corrupt and no longer stands for what it was built on. Another thing, "Baker said Homeland Security was considering taking over the identification check process and putting in stricter controls. Right now, people who check IDs in airport security lines are not generally government employees, he said." I thought a couple of years ago they were going to make all chech-point personnel federal employees? What the HELL happened there? Should we really believe anything the government says anymore?
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Papers Please!
by PzkwVIb March 21, 2007 8:28 PM PDT
The department of Fatherland security only wants to keep you safe. Pull the other leg Adolph, Real ID is another giant step toward a totalitarian regime.
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"foresee the future"
by joseph371968 March 21, 2007 11:10 PM PDT
Right! I see a security organization breaking Constitutional law, forcing citizens into giving up their Constitutional right to privacy. I see a security organization that says "the ID will be secure from identy theft" but this is not the only problem people fear. I see a tyrannical security organization that trespasses on peoples privacy, and this organization could use this power against the people insidiously. This organization is the D.H.S. the Department of Homeland Security. Stop! the tyranny before it is too late.
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IF YOU THINK...
by CustomComputers March 22, 2007 6:42 AM PDT
Should you think that Homeland Security is important, rethink how they handled or mishandled the Katrina Flood. This proposed program will flood our nation with issues that have not even been thought out. This issue deserves the undivided attention of every American. OUR GOVT. IN WASHINGTON TODAY cannot run the post office, cannot think the basic why concerning the mideast, fails miserably in budgeting, and the freedoms in Iraq I do not need to mention. Stand Up America...lets Veto this issue ourselves as the people in charge have failed to see the real future concerning our "FREEDOM IN THE USA"
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1984 20 years late
by jobert48 March 22, 2007 7:41 AM PDT
Do need to be reminded of FBI head J. Edgar Hoovers elaborate files on anyone he personally thought "dangerous". This is just one step closer to Big Brother watching where we go, who we speak with,, what we read, what we watch, what we think. Computers never forget, when some bureaucrat demands it, everything you've ever done will be able to be summarized in a nice little report, to be used anyway they wish. The hysteria of 9/11 makes us forget the founding principles of this country: free men bound to no prince, responsible for their own actions, and deciding their own fate. When we give this up, as we are doing when agreeing to be tracked by government for our safety, then the terrorists have achieved their purpose. Benjamin Franklin said it best: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
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The Birchers were right
by CaptainX March 22, 2007 7:47 AM PDT
I remember, decades ago, the John Birch Society and others fighting against anything that would work like national ID, including the use of the Social Security number as identification. They said that it would take away our right to privacy, that there would be abuses, and that nothing in the Constitution permits the government to do it. The Birchers were laughed out of the tent, and the camel's nose of Federal law came in. 40 years later . . . Soon after Real ID comes online, you will start seeing laws requiring Real ID for anything which is even remotely affected by a Federal agency, such as buying a box of .22 ammo (kgBATFE), opening a bank account (FDIC), or taking your car in for the smog check (EPA) that you need to register it. Or paying for your Internet access (FCC). No, the bureaucrat isn't concerned, he's the one who will USE your private info. How did we get here? We laughed at the Birchers, secure in the knowledge that such things were only found in the Warsaw Pact satrapies, and could NEVER happen HERE.
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