Selling stuff online? Here comes the IRS

Americans who sell items through Internet auction sites could be in for an unpleasant surprise at tax time next year, thanks to an IRS proposal designed to identify taxpayers who don't report income from those sales.

The U.S. Treasury Department wants Congress to force auction sites like eBay, Amazon.com and uBid.com to turn over the identities and Social Security numbers of a large portion of their users to the IRS--so tax collectors know how much each person made through online selling.

The effort is part of a larger plan, which enjoys enthusiastic support from both Democrats and Republicans, to close what's known as the "tax gap." It's a broad term that covers Americans who don't file tax returns or those who underreport their income, and the IRS believes it to total around $345 billion for the 2001 tax year.

But the proposal is likely to encounter stiff opposition from Internet auction aficionados, free-market advocates and the auction Web sites themselves, not all of which are large enough to be able to comply with the rules without financial hardship.

"It's a total nightmare," said Matt Stinchcomb, vice president of marketing for Etsy.com, which allows people to sell handmade goods. "Our goal as a company is to allow people to make a living making things, and this is just another impediment to that."

Stinchcomb said Etsy would be uncomfortable asking its users to divulge their Social Security numbers, which are required on the IRS 1099 forms used to report untaxed income. "There are so few things now that are private and sacred," he said. "I feel like your SSN is one of them. Imagine, too, if every e-commerce site starts requiring this, the amount of times that data will be collected or falsely collected. There's a huge potential for fraud and identity theft."

But Washington politicians are looking around for any idea that will increase tax revenue without a formal vote to raise taxes.

At a recent hearing, Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) praised the idea of additional "reporting of money flows so the IRS has the ability to match up what was reported to what's actually happening." Another Senate hearing on the tax gap is scheduled for Wednesday.

IRS' history of targeting online auctions
The idea of forcing auction sites to invade their customers' privacy through IRS reporting isn't exactly new.

In July 2006, IRS official Nina Olson told Congress (PDF) that it should require "information reporting on gross proceeds from sales conducted on Internet auction sites." "One recent study found that 700,000 Americans reported that eBay sales constitute their primary or secondary source of income. The IRS must have the tools needed to address underreporting of this income," she said. Olson said the reporting requirement should begin when someone made more than $600 in a calendar year.

Olson renewed her request to Congress two more times, congressional records show, but it wasn't until the idea appeared in the Bush administration's proposed 2008 budget that Congress began to take it seriously.

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A Treasury Department analysis of the budget (PDF) says: "A broker would be required to make an information return showing its customer's name, address and Taxpayer Identification Number, as well as gross proceeds from the sale of tangible personal property." Unlike Olson's suggestion, though, it proposes the reporting requirement kick in when someone makes more than $5,000.

"The budget proposal has come out and people are looking for ways to close the gap, so they're looking at a lot of things, and I think we're just one idea that has come up," said Catherine England, a representative for eBay, which opposes singling out online auction sites to report on their sellers to the IRS. "What's happening is there's this assumption that people aren't reporting," she said. "There are a good number of people who are professional sellers on eBay. However, there's no evidence or any kind of statistic out there to indicate those folks aren't already accurately reporting to the IRS."

The company's own statistics suggest that there are 1.3 million people around the world who make their primary or secondary source of income through eBay, with just over 700,000 in the United States.

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54 comments (Page 1 of 3)
a holes...
by Jesus#2 April 13, 2007 4:47 PM PDT
We pay income tax, tax on our property, tax on our gas, tax on our food... just so the gov can waist it... I think i'll start digging up that cache of ammo in the back yard...
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Replace Income Tax with Sales Tax
by armchair99 April 13, 2007 5:12 PM PDT
Tax the revenue stream at the point of sale instead of at the paycheck and this whole discussion becomes moot. It would be easier to administrate and enforce a national sales tax than the thousands of pages of our current graduated income tax code, it would also be more fair to the public in its applicablility. Everyone would pay the tax...no more tax loopholes for the ultra-rich.
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Yeah, This'll Work
by ferricoxide April 13, 2007 5:13 PM PDT
I forsee a lot of "new" eBay IDs being created, most with gMail backing addresses and identifying information being bogus: fake SSNs or addresses in foreign countries. You can also count on sites popping up to help this. Me? If the threshold was $5K and I was selling more than that in a year, I'd have <YearlyIncome>/$5K accounts, each with unique, bogus information. I don't think I'd be the only one. Oh well, least it doesn't apply to me.
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IRS Taxing
by spock_dog April 13, 2007 6:37 PM PDT
This will cause me to apply a 10-15% sales tax on my internet sales to cover the criminal IRS imposed tax reporting requirement. Just another way for them to get their hand into my pocket! -
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Double Tax
by comptech2002 April 13, 2007 6:53 PM PDT
Why double tax things sold online on ebay etc.... Lets say I buy something at a store and I get taxed for it? Then I want to put it on ebay if I didnt like the item or couldnt return it? or if I bought an item anywhere else and it was already taxed once thats just a rip to me to be taxed again.
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Politicians Are Dumb as S__
by gwhitham April 14, 2007 6:13 AM PDT
Yes!..... I am all for anything that makes the average politician look like a dumbass. There are much smarter ways to tax people. I can't believe how stupid the average politician is.
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We Need a Different Approach
by cookcounty April 14, 2007 1:12 PM PDT
The IRS will never be able to keep people from under reporting or not reporting income. Everyone, however, tends to spend most of their income. If the US went to a national sales tax it would not only eliminate the problem of trying to keep track of all income, but would eliminate all the time and money wasted on tax preparation and reporting, encourage savings, and reduce the size of what I am sure is a huge, bloated, expensive agency.
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well you see...
by dondarko April 14, 2007 3:15 PM PDT
it's an income source and like everyone else you have to file taxes, even if you work from home on eBay and other auction and marketplace sites. Until we do away with taxes for all these folks will not be able to avoid this, like the rest of us. We all pay taxes, it's a fact of life, get used to it.
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Taxing aution sales
by Smuvjz April 15, 2007 2:35 AM PDT
Sounds like double taxation to me. You buy a product ,pay taxes on that product then decide to sell it later, and now IRS wants you to pay taxes on it again. We need a new tax program all together, so why don't they revise what we have now. Let's try to make it so it benefits not only the federal government, but the American citizens as well, instead of the many foreign countries that it has for too many years.
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Flat tax
by twotall610 April 15, 2007 6:32 AM PDT
Flat tax everyone, then federal sales tax. Hold goverment responsible for spending, balance budget. It is a shame that federal budget is run by people with no business sense.
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