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January 27, 2008 8:30 AM PST

Sales of HD DVD players plunge after Warner move

What was a 50-50 market split in 2007 for the high-definition players shifted sharply in Blu-ray's favor in the new year.
The New York Times

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Toshiba is in denial
by gwhitham January 27, 2008 9:23 PM PST
Obviously there must be a lot of idiots out there in la la land if anyone believes for a minute that HD DVD is even remotely here to stay. I could see HD DVD hanging around only for a short while longer. It certainly will not be all that profitable for Toshiba continuing to manufacture HD DVD players or recorders for that matter. If Toshiba wants any slice of the pie, they should just licence the technology for almost nothing. Then maybe they might have a chance that some companies will put BluRay and HDDVD together on one machine. Oh yeah..... there is a machine out there that does that..... simply hasn't caught on though. Too Bad. I don't own a HD or BluRay DVD but when I do.... it will be BluRay. What would be the point of going with any other format?
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Toshiba is in denial
by gwhitham January 27, 2008 9:23 PM PST
Obviously there must be a lot of idiots out there in la la land if anyone believes for a minute that HD DVD is even remotely here to stay. I could see HD DVD hanging around only for a short while longer. It certainly will not be all that profitable for Toshiba continuing to manufacture HD DVD players or recorders for that matter. If Toshiba wants any slice of the pie, they should just licence the technology for almost nothing. Then maybe they might have a chance that some companies will put BluRay and HDDVD together on one machine. Oh yeah..... there is a machine out there that does that..... simply hasn't caught on though. Too Bad. I don't own a HD or BluRay DVD but when I do.... it will be BluRay. What would be the point of going with any other format?
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Why Blue-ray will win this format war
by jimcbr January 27, 2008 9:31 PM PST
If this was just a video format, then I would say that HD-DVD had a chance. But given the fact that these drives are used to store data on a computer, Blue-ray just beats HD-DVD in that area hands down. Also, I hate Microsoft, so the fact that they're supporting HD-DVD actually makes me glad that this format is doomed to fail.
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Why Blue-ray will win this format war
by jimcbr January 27, 2008 9:31 PM PST
If this was just a video format, then I would say that HD-DVD had a chance. But given the fact that these drives are used to store data on a computer, Blue-ray just beats HD-DVD in that area hands down. Also, I hate Microsoft, so the fact that they're supporting HD-DVD actually makes me glad that this format is doomed to fail.
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Told Ya.
by Penguinisto January 27, 2008 9:56 PM PST
Dead. As in "Betamax".

/P
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Told Ya.
by Penguinisto January 27, 2008 9:56 PM PST
Dead. As in "Betamax".

/P
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Is anyone surprised?
by Wookiee-1138 January 27, 2008 10:07 PM PST
???

I didn't think so. Take that, xbots!
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Is anyone surprised?
by Wookiee-1138 January 27, 2008 10:07 PM PST
???

I didn't think so. Take that, xbots!
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Childish
by ylla January 27, 2008 10:54 PM PST
I need to stop reading these replies...really...lol - I always hope they'll add something and they always end up being the same thing; blind cheap shots or 15 year old "Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah" postings. BOTH sides fans sound like whiny little children in these posts - no wonder why most consumers don't care about this.
The whole thing sounds like a bunch of grumpy little toddlers trying to justify their toys. People who are interested in finding out about all this just get turned off by these posts.

Now flame away.
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Childish
by ylla January 27, 2008 10:54 PM PST
I need to stop reading these replies...really...lol - I always hope they'll add something and they always end up being the same thing; blind cheap shots or 15 year old "Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah" postings. BOTH sides fans sound like whiny little children in these posts - no wonder why most consumers don't care about this.
The whole thing sounds like a bunch of grumpy little toddlers trying to justify their toys. People who are interested in finding out about all this just get turned off by these posts.

Now flame away.
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Doesn't matter...
by gdawgbuzz January 27, 2008 11:32 PM PST
This "format war" doesn't matter. Who needs a format when memory and bandwidth is so cheap and commonplace? Buy an XBOX 360 and download a movie in HD, who needs discs cluttering up the place when you don't need a player?
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Doesn't matter...
by gdawgbuzz January 27, 2008 11:32 PM PST
This "format war" doesn't matter. Who needs a format when memory and bandwidth is so cheap and commonplace? Buy an XBOX 360 and download a movie in HD, who needs discs cluttering up the place when you don't need a player?
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way off spin
by fredmenace January 28, 2008 3:28 PM PST
Even according to NPD, these numbers are not a sign of a sales trend and are wildly misleading - these were out-of-context numbers with no attached explanation, and leaked without permission. They were never meant to be the basis for a news release precisely because they are likely so spurious as to be wildly misleading, resulting in exactly the situation we are in: headlines and conclusions based on this "news" that are all WRONG.

Among other thigns, it turns out that during this particular week, several major TV manufacturers were giving away FREE Blu Ray players with every TV sold. So the vast majority of these Blu Ray "sales" were not ordinary sales at all. (I'm sure the timing of the giveaway was NOT coincidental and that the leaker was not a neutral party, as the Blu Ray backers want to give the impression in consumers' minds that HD DVD is in a sudden death spiral, even if there's no real basis for such a conclusion.)

One reason that this doesn't really matter is that the studios still backing HD DVD have huge back catalogs that dwarf the total number of titles of the studios backing Blu Ray. Don't forget that studios are not all the same size, and number of studios != number of titles.
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way off spin
by fredmenace January 28, 2008 3:28 PM PST
Even according to NPD, these numbers are not a sign of a sales trend and are wildly misleading - these were out-of-context numbers with no attached explanation, and leaked without permission. They were never meant to be the basis for a news release precisely because they are likely so spurious as to be wildly misleading, resulting in exactly the situation we are in: headlines and conclusions based on this "news" that are all WRONG.

Among other thigns, it turns out that during this particular week, several major TV manufacturers were giving away FREE Blu Ray players with every TV sold. So the vast majority of these Blu Ray "sales" were not ordinary sales at all. (I'm sure the timing of the giveaway was NOT coincidental and that the leaker was not a neutral party, as the Blu Ray backers want to give the impression in consumers' minds that HD DVD is in a sudden death spiral, even if there's no real basis for such a conclusion.)

One reason that this doesn't really matter is that the studios still backing HD DVD have huge back catalogs that dwarf the total number of titles of the studios backing Blu Ray. Don't forget that studios are not all the same size, and number of studios != number of titles.
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Blu-ray: The new VHS
by jrm125 January 29, 2008 1:10 PM PST
Blu-ray has won this format war. It will be the new standard for hard media.

What's next? Who can say?
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Blu-ray: The new VHS
by jrm125 January 29, 2008 1:10 PM PST
Blu-ray has won this format war. It will be the new standard for hard media.

What's next? Who can say?
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Please put old movies on BLUE RAY!
by inachu January 29, 2008 6:45 PM PST
I can't find any stor or flea market that sells the movies:
THE KEEP
THE KEEP 2

Some old movies are so hard and retailers clear the shelf of old titles and replace them with spanish ones..... THIS IS NOT MEXICO!
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Please put old movies on BLUE RAY!
by inachu January 29, 2008 6:45 PM PST
I can't find any stor or flea market that sells the movies:
THE KEEP
THE KEEP 2

Some old movies are so hard and retailers clear the shelf of old titles and replace them with spanish ones..... THIS IS NOT MEXICO!
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Wow
by rapier1 January 29, 2008 7:30 PM PST
You guys really will argue over anything.
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Wow
by rapier1 January 29, 2008 7:30 PM PST
You guys really will argue over anything.
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