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August 7, 2008 4:00 AM PDT

Online marketers unhappy with Microhoo saga outcome

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SAN FRANCISCO--As you might expect, search engine marketers aren't crazy about how the Google-Yahoo-Microsoft power struggle has played out.

It's not that they disapprove of Yahoo remaining independent of Microsoft. It's just that Google's search market share, at nearly 70 percent in June, has only grown stronger during its rivals' kerfuffle. Online marketers here Wednesday at the RBC Capital conference said Google's dominance limits their options to deliver on search ad campaigns.

"We always have a need for multiple sources of quality traffic and we don't see that need going away as Google's share increases," Will Margiloff, CEO and founder of Innovation Interactive, an online marketing agency, said during a panel discussion. "Complexity is good, consolidation is bad."

Another online marketer on the panel put it like this: "In the last 10 years, I've seen a dramatic decrease of competition between Google, Yahoo and Microsoft, and that's increased the importance of success on Google. When our clients come to us to talk about search, what they really mean is, 'Let's talk about Google.'"

It's no big surprise, but the current economic malaise appears to have marketers scouting even harder for the next viable competitor to Google. Online advertising spending is holding its own against other media in the downturn, but it's softening in some markets like real-estate or travel ads. And more than ever, marketers are focused on their return on investment for ads. That means they want to load up on performance campaigns like paid search and email campaigns, which can result in action, and spend less on brand ads that are harder to measure, executives said.

The consolidation of power could be hurting also-ran Net giants, too. AOL reported a paltry 2 percent growth in quarterly ad sales on Wednesday, despite its investments to become a viable online ad venture. Google and Yahoo, in contrast, have shown double-digit ad growth in the second quarter.

To be sure, Internet marketing executives were hopeful about the performance of Google rivals, even while they downplayed their importance. Marketers said that Yahoo, Ask.com and others are performing well for search ad campaigns. One marketing executive pointed to the fact that people spend more time on Yahoo than on Google as a reason not to discount the Internet veteran, for example. Another highlighted Google's trouble gaining traction against Baidu in China.

"Google's certainly doing well, but it's good for all of us that others are doing well, too," said Russ Mann, CEO of Covario.

Internet marketing executives also talked about Yahoo's opportunity to combine data from display ads and search to present advertisers with full-service campaigns that are more measurable. Development of new auction systems and behavioral ads, through Yahoo's purchase of Blue Lithium and Right Media, could help the company improve the performance of display ads, one executive said.

Marketers will also have to get more sophisticated about spurring action, or "clicks" on their paid search ads, with the aim of boosting conversion rates of shoppers from 1 percent to 2 percent, according to Margiloff.

That will also help the bottom line of the search marketing agencies.

To wit: executives from online marketing agencies iCrossing, Innovation Interactive and The Search Agency said that their businesses were up slightly so far this year.

"There's not a de-acceleration of spending, but there's an intensified focus on return on investment," said Michael Jones, an executive from Internet marketing agency PepperJam.

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by annbrown50 August 7, 2008 5:32 AM PDT
I read your article but I didn?t understand why Google leads in U.S. search market. (Editors' note: Ad link deleted.)
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by jamalystic August 7, 2008 6:56 AM PDT
It was very apparent during the microhoo saga that the markets were heavily in favor of the merger as evident by the rise in yahoo stcok. The google-yahoo deal does not augur well for the internet and by surrendering all of search to Google is simply making google the 21st century internet monopoly: Monolithic Monster: Is Google Replacing Microsoft?(http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=540&doc_id=148028&F_src=flftwo)
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by RobertinOhio August 7, 2008 7:45 AM PDT
@jamalystic

Who are you? Are you a SEO blogger working for someone to post comments? The market did not favor it and in fact, not very many people are happy Ichan is on the board. Besides that, google is the top rated search engine and its results are grossly superior to Yahoo or Microsoft. Those platforms are really portals are best used in other areas besides internet searching. I for one and very very GLAD that the deal collasped. We already have enough problems with Microsoft monopolizing the desktop OS, we do not need them to control internet searching either.
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by rapier1 August 7, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
That explains why the results of the shareholder meeting showed a *lot* of frustration with the current board. Everyone was just *too* happy with how everything out and it caused them to register votes against Yang and trash the stock price. That must be it.
by msvjim August 7, 2008 8:13 AM PDT
I for one will be happy if Microsoft and Yahoo joins hands as I currently spend over $30,000 per month on advertising with abvout 20% going to Yahoo and 0% going to Microsoft. We need more competition and the combination of the two, Microsoft and Yahoo would improve the quality and service and competition. Yahoo really screwed up a great partinship and stock price by being unwilling to work out a deal. I do not own any stock in the the three companies.
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by Penguinisto August 7, 2008 10:13 AM PDT
Err, you realize that if MSFT and YHOO joined hands, there would be less competition (as in, down from three to only two)?

Microsoft controlling/owning Yahoo would end up giving you the same reasons to spend 0% on Yahoo that justify your current spend of 0% on Microsoft.
by TheWiiKid August 7, 2008 8:38 AM PDT
Ok this is why we need Cuil and any other Search Engine that might be able to knock Google down a notch. Not only dose Google control search, but they also own Performics now. Google has SEM and SEM Sole Proprietors like myself jumping through hoops on a daily basis. If Google would just clarify what they want us to do to stay in good favor the Internet would see a reduction in spam because marketers wouldn't need to use those methods. I use all natural methods. Everyone should try to remember most niche store marketers are one man shows with people working 24/7 365 days a year just to feed there kids. We are not big companies with big budgets. G please cut us some slack.
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by Penguinisto August 7, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
Err, Cuil pretty much sucks right now... wouldn't hold one;s breath on 'em at this time.

Also, wouldn;t it stand to reason that a niche item would have less competition (and thus turn up higher in search engines naturally) than commodity stores?
by hutwarmer August 7, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
Okay, riddle me this; you have one company (Microsoft) who can't manage to break into the search/advertising market trying to purchase another company (Yahoo!) who is losing ground to Google quarterly. If this purchase did go through, you are still left with the same people managing the same search/advertising business, just on a larger (in terms of market share) scale. So how exactly does this compete with Google? The fact is, if I can receive superior search results from one company (Google), why am I going to use another search provider? Because they are now bigger in terms of market share? And if they did merge, is Microsoft going to replace their homegrown search with Yahoo!? If that is the case (and why wouldn't it be?) who is to say they will still keep the audience of MSN search? In my opinion, it just gives Google more strength because now they can focus on one major competitor instead of 2.
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by Vegaman_Dan August 7, 2008 9:17 AM PDT
Why shouldn't Google be the only search engine out there? What they have works. If it violates your privacy by selling the results to other companies, or tracking your movments online and selling that to whomever wants it, what is the harm? Google knows far better than you do on what you want to see online. Let them control this. You really don't have any reason to distrust them. Google is only here to help you. The idea of a Microsoft / Yahoo deal would have only given you more options, more choices, and frankly, Google doesn't think this is good for you. You should just use them and let Google decide what is good. They know better than you do.


I know this is true- It is written right here in my little red book they make us carry at all times.

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by JCPayne August 7, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
Duh-- Microsoft-Yahoo! wasn't going to be any better........ Ofcourse it made Google stronger that was going to happen with or without the merger.
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by Penguinisto August 7, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
Nice one, Dan... passive-aggressive much? ;)

You (and world+dog) seem to miss a fundamental point: Google can only give away / sell the data that you yourself give it. No more, no less. What part of this is so hard to comprehend?
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by rapier1 August 7, 2008 10:57 AM PDT
Of course, by this logic there was no problem with Microsoft because no one was forcing people to buy Windows or use Internet Explorer. Right?
by Michael_Martinez August 7, 2008 9:41 PM PDT
Google's search market share is NOT approaching 70%. The news media has been bamboozled by Compete, comScore, Hitwise, and Nielsen long enough. They are only counting number of queries performed, and a huge proportion of Google's query traffic is automated rank checking performed by search engine optimization tools.

Google's real search market share, as measured in number of estimated monthly visitors, is in the 32-37% range right now. Microsoft is the second most popular search engine. Yahoo! is running a distant third.

Frankly, the idea of a Microsoft-Yahoo! merger never made any sense. Yahoo! is a fading brand that has all but given up on search. Microsoft actually has the technology to challenge Google but it has to focus on its own resources and stop trying to buy talent from Yahoo!.

Fewer than 140,000,000 people use Google each month. More than 90,000,000 people use Live.com each month. The search industry remains highly competitive and any SEO who says otherwise doesn't know how to optimize for search.
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by benjaminstraight August 8, 2008 3:19 AM PDT
Of course.
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by wprasetyo August 11, 2008 7:45 PM PDT
my briefly comment is i am happy with microhoo saga outcome
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by sdaxy August 11, 2008 8:09 PM PDT
Waiting for the next competition....http://sdaxy.wordpress.com
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