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September 12, 2008 4:00 AM PDT

Yahoo Open: Finally, a real answer to Google

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SUNNYVALE, Calif.--On Friday, 300 programmers will descend upon Sunnyvale, Calif., to plant the seeds of what Yahoo hopes will be an answer to Google's Internet might.

Yahoo co-founder and Chief Yahoo David Filo

Yahoo co-founder and Chief Yahoo David Filo

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The event is called Open Hack Day 2008, and at it the coders will be the first from outside the company to get their hands on a number of programming interfaces Yahoo is releasing in an attempt to enliven its stodgy but still powerful Internet properties.

There's no guarantee that the release, a key step in what the company calls its Yahoo Open Strategy, will improve Yahoo's financial misfortunes. But it holds promise a strategy that could help Yahoo without having to try to out-Google Google.

That's because YOS marries the best of what Yahoo is with the best of what's happening on the Internet today. More than 500 million people come to Yahoo sites each month, 300 million of them registered users who log on, and they're coming for Yahoo's content and services. Yahoo may not be able to match Google's search engine and accompanying search ad money machine, but YOS ultimately could help improve Yahoo's assets, attract new partners, and bolster the company's advertising revenue.

"We believe openness is going to happen with or without us. We'd rather be at the center of it," said co-founder David Filo in an interview.

Here's an example of YOS in action that Ash Patel, head of Yahoo's audience products division, showed Thursday. The Yahoo home page, which is being revamped to show content customized for each user, houses an application from Netflix showing the movies a user ordered and new recommendations. Yahoo search is augmented to let people order more movies straight from the search results. And an application within Yahoo Mail could let users rate their movies and chat with Netflix members on their buddy list who've already seen it.

Ash Patel, head of Yahoo's audience products division

Ash Patel, head of Yahoo's audience products division

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The pressure's on
Here's the rub, though: YOS will take time to build, and time is not on Yahoo's side.

Yahoo, faced with near-term pressures from Microsoft and activist investor and now board member Carl Icahn, would have preferred a quick fix to its business, and perhaps a cash infusion from Yahoo's search-ad partnership with rival Google will help in that regard.

YOS is a longer-term strategy, though. It's taken months to rewire the company's infrastructure to accommodate the vision. It'll take more months to coax programmers and business partners into using it. And still longer to attract Yahoo users to adopt the new features.

As Yahoo languished in recent years, new online services squarely in Yahoo's back yard, such as Facebook and Twitter, had time to put down serious roots. And of course Google has encroached, too: its search-ad revenue has funded any number of affronts to Yahoo, including Gmail, Google Docs, Google News, Google Finance, Orkut, and Blogger.

Of course, Yahoo believes that its clout on the Internet will give it the necessary leg up. So the next start-up, for example, could get traction quickly by drafting off Yahoo's page views and user base.

Yahoo CTO Ari Balogh

Yahoo CTO Ari Balogh

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"Yahoo allows developers to create applications for the world's biggest audience," Patel said. "And they're able to do monetization for advertising. Those two are huge value propositions."

The company is betting the money will come its way, too. Yahoo expects to gain better insight into what users are doing, and consequently better predict what sorts of content or advertising the users want. "The better signals you have, the better you can serve the right content," and being able to target ads better means Yahoo can charge higher rates, said Chief Technology Officer Ari Balogh. "We expect lots of material benefit."

What's coming Friday
So what will be new on Friday? For those programmers who made the Hack Day cut, a pizza- and soda-fueled opportunity to toy with two broad categories of new Yahoo APIs (application programming interfaces), said Neal Sample, chief architect for Yahoo's platforms.

First is a collection of social APIs that let programmers use data such as a Yahoo user's address book contacts, status messages, profile information, and news feed items. Second is the Yahoo Application Platform (YAP), which will be used to write the applications that actually will run on Yahoo Web pages. YAP has some similarities to the OpenSocial project initially begun by Google but now supported by several others, including Yahoo.

The first Yahoo property to get the application support will be a redesigned profile page, a "control panel" site where people can record personal information, update their status, and see their social connections, Sample said. "We're going to get to the point where all our profiles can start coalescing so you have the concept of a single identity on Yahoo."

Neal Sample, Yahoo's chief architect for platforms

Neal Sample, Yahoo's chief architect for platforms

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Over this year and into 2009, the support will extend to the My Yahoo personalized home page, Yahoo Mail with its 270 million users, and the Yahoo front page that's being redesigned with a customization feature called the content optimization engine.

If all goes according to plan, the collection of new interfaces and applications will "light up a user's social graph," building Yahoo more deeply into a person's online interactions, for example by spotlighting a person's most important contacts in Yahoo Mail.

Fresh air
Yahoo will call Open Hack Day a success if it produces developers happy with the company and feedback about the interfaces, said Chris Yeh, head of the Yahoo Developer Network. But there's something in it for Yahoo, too: a breath of fresh air. "Big companies do become insular at times...We do everything we can to try to avoid that."

Programmers not at Open Hack Day will only be able to see the API documentation at first, but the final APIs will be public soon. "In a few weeks, we're making them generally available," after Yahoo gets feedback from the early testers, Sample said.

These new programming interfaces will join other parts of YOS already released recent months: SearchMonkey lets people write applications that spruce up search results with elements such as LinkedIn profiles or restaurant reviews. BOSS (Build Your Own Search Service) lets others build their own search engines on Yahoo's, reordering or modifying results however they want and sharing search ads or revenue if they get popular.

Chris Yeh, head of Yahoo Developer Network

Chris Yeh, head of Yahoo Developer Network

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Newest is Fire Eagle can keep track of a person's location information, including a mechanism to let users control what services may employ that information.

A few other APIs are planned for later release, Sample added, including some for geographic services.

Proceed cautiously
Embracing openness--standards, open-source software, open interfaces--is a tried and true way technology companies try to leapfrog incumbent competitors. But retrofitting openness to a company that's been closed is difficult, and Yahoo clearly is concerned about breaking what it's built by moving at start-up speeds.

"Getting it right with hundreds of millions of users is harder than if you're starting from scratch," Filo said.

And it's not just about revealing APIs and doing some marketing. "We have to get the platform right so we can ensure the applications don't degrade the user experience," Patel said, for example by caching applications on Yahoo servers so pages load fast. "It is stuff that does keep us up at night."

Consequently, Patel said, the company will vet applications before letting them onto Yahoo sites--especially for Yahoo Mail site, where so much personal information resides.

Venkat Panchapakesan

Venkat Panchapakesan

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Yahoo also wants to ensure users are in control when it comes to the permissions they grant to applications, said Venkat Panchapakesan, leader of Yahoo's audience technology group.

So it's tricky work for a lumbering giant. If successful, though, Yahoo will be able to reclaim some of the Internet initiative it once had in spades, potentially rearranging today's competitive landscape.

"Yes, we have lots of competitors," Filo said. "In some ways, we're opening up new level of competition by letting people build on top of us. Ultimately, this is good for the consumer and the Internet."

See also:
• Yahoo gives a taste of its 'open' overhaul
• David Filo: No browser for Yahoo
• Yahoo makes the case for Google search ads
• Yahoo 12-month price target cut
• Yahoo announces social networking app for iPhone
• Top Yahoo sales execs: One in, one out

Stephen Shankland covers Google, Yahoo, search, online advertising, portals, digital photography, and related subjects. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered servers, supercomputing, open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen.
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Add a Comment (Log in or register) 8 comments
by I_hate_Apple September 12, 2008 5:27 AM PDT
Honestly, does anyone truly believe that Yahoo will rise from the ashes?

Right now in cave some where Jerry Yang is trying to figure out his next step once Google cuts all ties to keep the Feds from snooping around.

I remember a time when Yahoo was the cool kid on the block and could do no wrong, oh how the mighty has fallen.
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by mpitogo September 12, 2008 6:45 AM PDT
Everyone I know uses Yahoo, from e-mail to IM.
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by dogboi September 12, 2008 8:07 AM PDT
I think Yahoo, more than anyone, is poised to be competition for Google. They just have to find their way out the darkness.

Their email service is used by a lot more people than gmail (thus, their email service should, in fact, be pumping revenue into their coffers.) Many more people use Yahoo Messenger than Gtalk. Most importantly, they already have a functional search back-end that can take the pressure of heavy load.

So why aren't they causing Google more of a problem: Diversification. Yahoo has invested way too many of their resources in diversifying their brand. They need to return to the central focus of that brand: Search. They should start selling off unrelated projects (except, of course, for Mail and Messenger). Things like Zimbra should be sold off.

I honestly don't know if Flickr produces any profit for them. If it doesn't, it should be.

Just my devalued American 2 cents.
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by t26l September 12, 2008 8:16 AM PDT
I tried Yahoo e-mail once, a few years ago. I created an address, then forgot about it for a couple of days, not once divulging it to anyone else. When I came back, I had well over two hundred new messages, all spam. No thank you.

They certainly have the user base and resources to challenge Google, but I'm skeptical that they can match the latter's quality.
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by i_made_this September 12, 2008 11:49 AM PDT
As more Windows users shift to FF or Opera, Neal has his hands full redesigning YIM to work off the MSN IM core. YIM retains market which Yahoo cannot afford to lose, but it isn't picking up share - IMHO due to this issue. Open *should* address the issue and breath life back into their client. Time will tell but money is talking very loud at the Board re the need for speed in such initiatives if Yahoo wishes to remain independent. Stuff like this isn't rocket science - Yahoo can re-engineer YIM in a heartbeat but they really must address policy issues like continued annual funding from MSFT in exchange for promoting IE - it's become a burden they need to jettison and pronto.
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by September 12, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
YAP is like OpenSocial. OK. Does it support the OpenSocial APIs? If this is something new that competes with OpenSocial and forces me to learn something non-trivial or requires my widgets or production process to adopt some complexity then no thanks Yahoo. I think the buzz that they are trying to latch onto with Open Hack Day is vaporous and simply trying to leverage and monetize the latest trends is not going to provide a sustainable foothold to help get them out of the Yahoo sinkhole.
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by AppleSuxLeo September 14, 2008 7:04 AM PDT
Heap Fragmentation is the bane of both Chrome AND FF...IE8 doesn`t have this problem and uses many fewer CPU cycles , to perform the same job. IE8 RULES.
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by Mr. Dee September 14, 2008 7:25 AM PDT
I hardly use their IM, but its the only option at school right now, since the Admins block WLM because everyone has it and uses it. Personally I don't feel interested in any of this stuff they are creating, I am only dedicated one Social medium and thats Facebook, because it really keeps me in touch with people I know and everybody seems to be on it.
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