September 4, 2007 2:24 PM PDT

Is EEStor delaying its power system for cars?

It looks like the futuristic power system for electric cars promised by EEStor could be a little late.

EEStor CEO Richard Weir told CNET News.com in a brief phone interview that commercial production of its energy storage system--a device that holds electricity and functions somewhat like a battery--will be sometime in the next 10 months or so. The unit is also referred to as an "ultracapacitor."

"We intend to be in production on or before the middle of next year," he said.

Although that means that the company could be in production by tomorrow, the time frame is a little wider, and extends about six months or so further into the future than previously stated.

Back in January, the company stated that it would start shipping 15 kilowatt hour electrical energy storage units to Canada's Zenn Motors, its first customer, in 2007. Zenn's cars will mark the first commercial application of EEStor's technology.

EEStor has been somewhat secretive about its technology, but proponents claim it will revolutionize the automotive industry because it will deliver electrical storage units that can power cars for hundreds of miles and can be recharged in minutes. By contrast, lithium-ion batteries now being prepared for cars take hours to charge and can take cars 200 miles or less. Skeptics have wondered whether EEStor can live up to its claims.

A six-month delay isn't that serious of an issue for a start-up, and a number of clean-tech companies have faced delays this year. Tesla Motors had to postpone its electric cars a few months, while in solar both Miasole and DayStar Technologies have had delays. So has GreenFuel Technologies, which wants to turn algae into fuel and clean carbon dioxide from the environment. But it's not great news either, and underscores the difficulty of bringing some of these green technologies to market.

Zenn, which invested in EEStor earlier this year, currently sells low-speed electric cars that run on more conventional batteries. These low-speed cars, which are similar to those made by other small manufacturers like Miles Automotive, are designed for campuses and retirement communities. The U.S. Department of Defense has also launched a program to buy a significant number of low-speed vehicles.

For more information, you need to go to Zenn's Web site. EEStor doesn't have one.

You can't learn a lot from looking at the Web site of Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers either. The firm is reportedly an investor in EEStor, but EEstor is not listed as a portfolio company on the firm's site. Venture firms, however, do this at times with stealth companies.

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If this works . . . a big if
by ArtInvent September 4, 2007 3:17 PM PDT
In batteries and alternative energy, anyone who has watched the industry for a year or two will know how many of these 'revolutionary' 'change the rules' 'disruptive' technologies have come up, only to crash as either immature, way too expensive, or outright hoaxes. What happened to the Zebra battery? Where's my GM hydrogen car? Honestly, I don't know why you journalists even report this stuff so faithfully when there's really nothing there to report. Maybe if they actually had a working prototype of some kind they were willing to show someone, anyone. As it is, you are just shilling for their marketing machine.
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Six Months Six Years
by rbiz September 5, 2007 6:18 AM PDT
One truth is that, I've been hearing about the "real" possibilities
of going electric since I was fifteen years old - and the promise
was always that it was only about ten or fifteen years away - and
yet here we still are - ten or fifteen years away... (notably this
time, its the hydroden powered possiblitiy). Oh, and I'm almost
fifty now.

To our credit we've managed to finally squeak out some nice
hybrid cars that help reduce our gasoline usage, and that people
will buy, but I still sense that none of us is really committed to
completely doing away with petroleum or alchohol based fuels at
all, or in the future, we just keep playing this mind game with
ourselves that burning less is good enough, and that the next
generation can decide whether or not they want to actually
eliminate traditional internal combustion engines in
automobiles.

Let's see, what was it last month right here on CNET (not
pointing any fingers at CNET), a new type of carburation system
that can facilitate a gasoline burning engine getting upwards of
100 miles to the gallon... Oooooo!

So tell me, are we going to get off of our gasoline habit, or not.
I know I really want to see that happen before my final breath,
but if I'm the only one then obviously it's not happening - and
I'm very weary of feeling obligated to slap the next set of good
'ole boys on the back for getting us more miles per gasoline
gallon. From here on out, my moral and financial support is
reserved exclusively for those developers and technologies that
get us off of gasoline - now.
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A little honesty
by Rick Cavaretti September 6, 2007 7:46 AM PDT
I know this goes against the whole human-contrieved religion of
wall street, but really, can't EEstor act more like a research lab than
a bunch of bean counters and honestly report it's work, like most
researchers do in journals?

To be blunt, it would 'suck' if this was all a scam. Too bad.
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THEY ARE A SMART COMPANY
by mewachenu September 9, 2007 6:07 AM PDT
I don't know why all these people are going crazy WHEN EESTOR is not updating them on there every move about the product that they claim will revolutionize energy storage forever.

DONT YOU THINK that the companies got all around a big round table and said you know what if we play our cards right we can create a microsoft effect aka MONOPOLY on this product.

they are ensuring they have all the aspects of this product thought out so as to ensure that no one else can reinvent something along the sames lines. they are taking there time staying out of the spot light and doing a very good job of keeping the technical aspects of there patent a secret.

i know and have a feeling that this is real and is you will all see that it is possible to do what they say can be done.

as far as technology goes batteries are about 100 years behind the power curve when it comes to the rate of reinvention/upgrades.

batteries are so last millenium and i hope EESTOR is the one to abolish the insane petrolium companies for good. the world would be better off if cars where designed allong the EV path.

oh yeah i'm crazy but i can still write reviews have a nice day
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Offical Response from Zenn on this article
by afjerry September 11, 2007 5:11 PM PDT
Dear Mr. Jerry,

There has been no official delay communicated directly to ZENN Motor
Company. This particular is in fact misleading in its story title.
EEStor is quoted as stating that the EESU is on schedule for delivery
to
ZMC within the next ten months. That is not to say that they won't
deliver before then - merely announcing the possibility that additional
time may be required in the commercialization phase - not development
time of the ultracapacitor.

The next milestone involves permittivity testing and no official 'due
date' has been announced.

Please feel free to contact me should you have any additional questions
or concerns.

Catherine Scrimgeour
Public Affairs Specialist
ZENN Motor Company
Tel: 416.535.8395 x 201
Fax: 416.535.4043
www.ZENNcars.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherry Good
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:55 PM
To: afjerry@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Investors - Message to Investors from Site

September 10, 2007

Dear Mr. Jerry,

Thank you for your support of ZENN Motor Company.

I am forwarding your e-mail to our Investor Relations Department. You
should hear from them shortly.

Again, thank you for your support and if I can be of further
assistance,
do not hesitate to get in touch with me.

Yours truly,


Sherry B. Good
ZENN Motor Company
( 416 535 8395 ext. 205
Fax: 416 535 4043
Toll Free: 1 877 817 7034

www.ZENNcars.com


-----Original Message-----
From: www feelgoodcars com [mailto:feelgood@media6.magma.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:46 PM
To: Sherry Good
Subject: Investors - Message to Investors from Site

Subject: Eestor announces delay - please clarify

Message: I am an investor and read the following article on eestor
delay, please post eestor offical delay and information about the next
milestone as well as the delay.

http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9770849-7.html
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Feedback on Zenn Comments
by afjerry September 11, 2007 5:27 PM PDT
There has always been a question is there a working prototype of the eestor utracapacitor, based on the comments zenn gave (see below:) I think this has answered that. I think this is the most positive news I've heard yet. if there is no development, they got the real deal, and the manufacturing process difficult yes, but sounds close to being there.


"ZMC within the next ten months. That is not to say that they won't deliver before then - merely announcing the possibility that additional
time may be required in the commercialization phase - not development time of the ultracapacitor.
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permittivity testing and no official 'due date?
by MarkL77 September 20, 2007 12:57 PM PDT
permittivity testing involves battery storage, If you read the article http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/18086/?a=f
Jim Miller, vice president of advanced transportation technologies at Maxwell Technologies and an ultracap expert who spent 18 years doing engineering work at Ford Motor, isn't so convinced.

"We're skeptical, number one, because of leakage," says Miller, explaining that high-voltage ultracaps have a tendency to self-discharge quickly. "Meaning, if you leave it parked overnight it will discharge, and you'll have to charge it back up in the morning."

Hopefully they can overcome this mountain of a hurdle?
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I have too see it to believe it
by admjwarren December 22, 2007 3:25 PM PST
And every day I don't see it I believe it a little less.
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Not the first time....
by bigduke January 10, 2008 3:41 PM PST
Many years ago free-radicals were going to be the ultra energy storage solution to super energy density storage.

It didn't work.

duke
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I want to see a couple of EESOTR in this baby!
by tarrith April 21, 2008 10:45 PM PDT
Get rid of all those Lithium batteries and fill 'er up with EESTOR's.

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/06/03/electric-yamaha-r1-lightning-lithium/

YEAH BABY! Now we're talking!

Tarrith
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