House politicians propose 'emergency' H-1B hike
Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates clearly got through to some politicians with his plea for more H-1B visas on Capitol Hill earlier this week.
Late Thursday, a U.S. House of Representatives Democrat on the Science and Technology Committee, which Gates addressed, introduced a bill that would double the number of H-1B visas and remove other restrictions from 2008 onward. Then, on Friday, a key House Republican followed with his own proposal for "emergency" relief. His plan: tripling the visa cap.
H-1Bs allow foreigners with at least a bachelor's degree in their area of specialty to be employed in the United States for up to six years. Right now, the cap stands at 65,000, with another 20,000 for foreigners with advanced degrees from U.S. schools.

The first bill, sponsored by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), would bump the cap to 130,000 beginning in 2008--and increase it to as much as 180,000 if the limit is reached in the preceding year. At the same time, it would potentially allow in many more foreigners, as the bill would exempt from that cap anyone who has received a master's or doctorate from a U.S. university in math, science, engineering, and other technology fields. Up to 20,000 extra visas would also be allotted to people who had obtained such degrees from institutions outside the United States.
The second bill, called the Strengthening United States Technology And Innovation Now (or Sustain) Act, is even more aggressive. Proposed by House Judiciary Committee ranking member Lamar Smith (R-Texas), it would raise the visa cap to 195,000 in 2008 and 2009--the highest level since its peak between 2001 and 2003.
Both bills are meant to address what technology companies say is a visa shortage crisis. They're also more aggressive than other recent attempts to increase the H-1B cap, which set a 115,000-visa target.
Gates and other technology company executives have long said they need the ability to hire more foreigners--both on temporary visas and permanent green cards--to fill gaps for which they can't find qualified Americans. Gates maintained that H-1B visa holders at his company receive high wages, prevent jobs from being moved offshore, and even lead to creation of more jobs for Americans around those senior engineers.
Last year, the run on H-1B visas ended one day after it began, and the year before, the supply was exhausted after about two months.
Criticism from programmers
The setup of the H-1B program, however, has landed a fair share of criticism from American programmers, who argue that the visas depress their wages and displace qualified American workers. There are also allegations that the offshore firms--particularly Indian ones--have been snapping up H-1B visas, recruiting foreign workers, and then outsourcing them to foreign companies.
Ron Hira, a public policy professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology and author of the book Outsourcing America, told CNET News.com after Gates' talk that it's wrong to suggest most H-1Bs are going to the brightest foreigners with advanced degrees and earning them big bucks. According to latest report to Congress from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (PDF), the typical H-1B holder has a bachelor's degree and is making a median salary of $50,000, Hira said. The latest National Science Foundation report on the subject says only 1 percent of H-1B holders in computer fields held doctoral degrees (44 percent had master's degrees).
Other pending bills in the House and the Senate would place new obligations on U.S. employers before making H-1B hires, including requiring them recruit Americans first.
The application window for next year's crop of H-1B visas is set to open on April 1, and it's unclear whether either bill will see action before then. Both chambers of Congress are scheduled to begin a two-week recess on Friday and aren't expected to return until March 31.







Using outsourced labor In-House instead of using the existing qualified U.S. workforce already in need of jobs.
In the country that's been the champion of free markets, free trade and globalization in the world, you'd think that jobs belong to whoever is most qualified never mind where they come from. You can't have it both ways.
Innovation is what drives the software industry forward. In order to make that happen, you absolutely need the best people you can possibly get. It doesn't matter if they're from US or Outer Mongolia.
Maybe they're dangling a whole lot of awesome web2.0 stock options in front of the candidates
I remember last time I was on the job market, I was in serious talks with about 4 different companies. The compensation ranged from a totally ridiculous $35 / hr (w/ benefits) to $150 / hr (w/out benefits) to a six figure salaried position. All positions were for a sr. sw engineer type of role.
The most ridiculous thing about the $35 / hr job was that it was a BIG multi-national company, and the job they were hiring for was definitely a position you'd need someone with real experience in application architectures and sw design. It took great effort from my part not to laugh in their faces. I have no clue what they were thinking.
Tell me. How many people have you recruited in the last 6 months? How many candidates have you interviewed for the positions? What percentage of those candidates were qualified?
If you answer the last question with anything more than single digits, you're lying.
The qualified candidates are so sought after that they typically have several job offers lined up, so you end up in a bidding war. Thankfully my company IS in a position to bid high.
PS. why you posting the same reply on multiple threads? I read you once just fine, no need to spam the boards.
Economic (Housing Markets) "SEALS" Teams next.
Beam Us Up Scotty!
But the visa cost should be $7500 per month payable to the U.S. Treasury. Then pay their salary. We are displacing a U.S. Citizen, We should be paid for the privlege of allowing non-citizens the opportunity to work here.
You want them, YOU PAY FOR THEM.
How about this, a person on H1-B Visa contributes to the economy, pays his/her taxes under the same earning bracket as an American, adds to the Social Security Fund BUT is not allowed to collect Social Security until he/she is a naturalized citizen. It is one thing that he/she wants to stay here forever, because the visa is only granted for 5-6 years. And by the way, to become a naturalized citizen it takes a long long long time.
Sad but true, is the situation of this country; the Microsoft's, the Apple's, the Google's of this country CANNOT FIND local talent that is cutthroat and to world standards. We as a country had that, no anymore.
We as a country (I hope we are not) giving out H1-B visa for strippers, because we have abundant local talent to satisfy that.
We as a nation have completely misunderstood the teachings of our forefathers. I'm sure they are turning in their graves that what has GREED done to our nation.
America, a population of 300 million which happens to be only 4-5% of the entire world, is the largest goods consuming nation - while the rest of the world is the producer of those goods.
I am sure someone, somewhere has done this economic analysis and seen this horror story we as a nation have created for ourselves.
Whatever.
Let the marketplace decide. If this bill passes, MSFT, etc. better make it work. If not, they will face a far harsher judge than the posters here. The investors will not countenance the continued slipshod "management" that is currently begging for "talent".
You've been served notice.
I completely accept that you need the best. American companies should be allowed to source the very best in their fields - and there is no doubt that a star in that field will generate more jobs for American workers.
In practice though, H1Bs are hardly the "best". What you have in practice is a Microsoft saying "hmm.. it costs me $60 per hour to hire this american programmer - why not just go with a $50 H1-B. After all the technology is not that hard, and the H1-B will be much more desperate and will work 70 hours a week". Managers in most US companies love H1Bs - it is really invaluable to have those H1Bs who are willing to work long hours and cover up management errors in basic stuff like planning and estimating.
"Hiring the more desperate" would be closer to the truth.
Well.. but you have reason in all the rest! Im glad to hear it... There should be Equality in hiring anyone who has the Best Skills, no matter where is that person from... that-s discrimination, and that-s not fair.
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords floated this same proposal last year:
http://giffords.house.gov/press/press-releases/2007/07/High-TechVisaReformLegislation.shtml
If you read the article at the link, notice that she only talked to high-tech employERS and "executives": there's no mention of talking to any high-tech workers.
From the press release: ?More than 40 percent of H-1B visa workers possess graduate or doctorate degrees.? Even if this percentage is correct, then what about the other ~60%? Why would we need 78,000 (her proposed 130,000 x 60%) Bachelor?s degreed-only foreign workers flooding in to take low to mid-level computer programming and engineering jobs? These workers primarily just lower wages for the American workers doing the same thing... and now her cap on just these lower-level workers would exceed the previous 65,000 base cap!
Most of Rep. Lamar Smith's web site deals with his opposition to an ethics resolution!
Read the two papers at the following links to learn more about the H-1B visa program:
http://www.sharedprosperity.org/bp187/bp187.pdf
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/PrevWage.pdf
Excuse me Bill, but shouldn't the Gates Foundation should be educating American Kids.
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by mgilbo1
March 15, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
- crap. Gates just wants cheap labor. Indians come here, learn and go home in 5 years to bring any new tech with them. I don't blame India, I blame our gov't for believing Gates and his sad story.
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