March 19, 2008 6:01 AM PDT

Apple could split device sales with music labels

Updated: 8:10 a.m. PDT

Is Apple rethinking its music strategy?

As part of a deal to offer devices featuring preprogrammed music, Apple would have to agree to share sales revenue from the devices with the labels, says a source close to the deal. Cutting the labels in on iPod or iPhone revenue would mark a sharp turn in Apple's strategy.

Universal Music is dissatisfied with only licensing music, and the plan now is to partner instead of just being a vendor. Universal Music has aspirations of becoming more of an all-around entertainment company.

The deal being discussed by the labels and Apple calls for the company to license the music and also "kick in a piece of the device sales," said the source. The Apple device, which hasn't been determined yet, would come preprogrammed with a certain amount of music that after a period of time, perhaps six months or a year, would roll into a subscription type of service plan, the source said.

Apple began informal discussions six months ago with Universal Music Group, the largest of the four major music labels, about offering preloaded music on devices, according to the source, who requested anonymity. Talks began in earnest two months ago, the source said, adding that Apple has opened discussions about the offer with all four of the major labels.

An Apple representative said: "We don't comment on rumors and speculation." Representatives from the four top record labels either did not return calls or declined to comment.

The talks are still in a preliminary stage and nothing has been decided, the source said. The Financial Times was first to report on the negotiations between Apple and the record companies.

The service being discussed is similar to one struck between Universal Music and Nokia last year. In December, Nokia announced its "Comes With Music" service, which allows users to buy a Nokia device preprogrammed with a year of unlimited access to a subscription service featuring Universal's songs.

"Comes With Music" is due to start in 2008.

With the Nokia deal, Universal Music receives a share of device sales, just as it does with Zune, and those sold by Sirius Satellite Radio and XM Satellite Radio.

The days of allowing Apple and other device makers to earn enormous profits off the backs of music artists is over, said the source. For a long time, many in the music industry have chaffed at the success of Apple's iPod. They acknowledge iPods were expertly designed and marketed, but they argued the gadget's real attraction was the loads of music that owners could store on them.

"At this stage in the game, the music industry feels it is entitled to something," said the source.

Apple hasn't discussed specific devices with the labels, according to the source. So one could only wonder whether the company would offer the preprogrammed music on a new high-end device, the next-generation iPhone, or some iPod models.

The FT reported that subscriptions would currently work only for Apple's iPhone devices, because it already has a monthly billing relationship with customers through the mobile phone operators offering the device. The "Comes With Music" model, on the other hand, would work with iPhones and iPods.

Universal Music has been driving the preprogrammed idea for some time in an effort to inject some excitement into subscription services, which have seen only lackluster consumer interest.

The record company is in talks with other carriers in addition to Apple as it attempts to expand its relationship with device makers, said the source. Universal Music is dissatisfied with only licensing music. The plan now is to "partner instead of just being a vendor," said the source. Universal Music has aspirations of becoming more of an all-around entertainment company, the source added.

Cutting a slice to Universal Music is one thing, but what about the other three labels? That could mean some serious money and at the very least cut into Apple's margins.

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This seems counter to Apple's plan of attack
by sup909 March 19, 2008 6:37 AM PDT
Share Revenues? Subscription Plan? This seems completely opposite of the drum beat that Apple has been marching to for the past nine years. With iTunes being the #2 music retailer I don't see any reason why Apple would want to go to a subscription model. Now if this discussion is perhaps with Universal for movies and not music then perhaps we have something to start a discussion with for subscription models.
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My humor quota for the day...
by williamQ March 19, 2008 6:56 AM PDT
Doug Morris worried about "enormous profits being made off the backs of music artists"? That is really sublime.
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artists?
by xnowimcoolx March 19, 2008 7:06 AM PDT
"The days of allowing Apple and other device makers to make enormous profits off the backs of music artists is over, said the source." Don't you mean "off the back of the music industry"? because we know the artists aren't getting much money! I think the labels wanting portions of the sales of these devices is garbage ... now they have less of a reason to make good music ...
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subscription music
by wyly295 March 19, 2008 9:01 AM PDT
I'm pulling my hair out. Why does the world not see what I see? I've been a subscriber to Napster for over three years. I love it. It offers everything a music lover could want. You people just don't know how to use it or you haven't tried it or you're brainwashed by Apple or you're all on the same drugs...I don't know what is going on.
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Re: reader comment from wyly295
by kdskinner March 19, 2008 9:09 AM PDT
I bet you rent your home and lease your car don't you? You seem to be pushing the concept of renting everything and just can't understand of why some of us might want to own our music.
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Apple is bending over
by Peter Bonte March 19, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
High priced movies, expensive and over-restrictive rentals and now this. iPod sales are slowing down and Apple is making unproductive decisions to corner a extra market. I only want a 1.5 touch size comic book reader and cheap content, that's all.
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Just another sign of a sagging music industry
by keclapp March 19, 2008 9:24 AM PDT
"At this stage in the game, the music industry feels it is entitled to something," I thought this line summed it up. The music industry has become so bloated that they now feel a sense of entitlement to anything connected to them. They claim that the ipod's success is somehow leaching off the music industry, I see it as the ipod and similar device is making the music accessable - who's helping who. Instead of turning green over other companies success, the music industry needs to focus on providing high quality service and products in an affordable way. Old business, new world, bad mix.
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A step backwards?
by Orcini March 19, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
It comes with preprogrammed music, and then only works with a monthly subscription fee? Isn't this a step backwards from mp3 players, which allow you to listen to what you want, when you want, with the music you've purchased?
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Subscription music with the slickest mobile browsing mp3 platform ever !
by shetaan819 March 19, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
wyly295, I have to agree with you 100%...I had the Zune with a music subscription before I had my iPhone and its one of those things that until you have it, you dont realize how awesome it is (remember Tivo people?) ...I'm not sure why everyone is dissing the subscription model - why wouldnt you want all the songs you could ever have for $15/mo or less...all songs with perfect ID3 tags, perfect quality, album art, etc....is it really that expensive for you people to pony up $15/mo or less .... Disclaimer : I'm not a Apple fanboy by any means and in fact I resisted the ipod all the way until the iPhone in which case there was no real competition from anyone else.... sux, had to leave the subscription model but since Microsoft has said they're definitely not coming out with a Zune phone, I had to do it, :(((
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You'll lose the songs...
by ReverendRob March 19, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
the reason the subscription model stinks is that you don't own the songs. When your subscription ends- either immediately or after a set time- you LOSE THOSE SONGS. I want my songs! I PAID for them! I want to KEEP THEM! It's why physical sales haven't disappeared yet (Diminished, yes, but not gone away), nor will they- They just shifted from storefronts to online retailers- because people want to own the things.
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