March 26, 2008 11:55 PM PDT

Congress is holding H-1B boost 'hostage,' says Oracle lobbyist

HOLLYWOOD, Calif.--The politically explosive debate over millions of undocumented U.S. workers appears to be smothering high-tech companies' attempts to obtain higher allotments of H-1B temporary visas and green cards, Oracle's head lobbyist suggested Wednesday.

Any "rational" politician understands those longstanding pleas to bring in more skilled foreigners for gaps where no qualified Americans fit, said Robert Hoffman, who also serves as co-chairman of a coalition of high-tech companies called Compete America that lobbies for heightened visa caps. By his estimation, if that issue were severed from the rest of the immigration debate, it would "easily" sail through Congress and become law.

"As long as Congress holds us hostage to the broader question of comprehensive immigration reform, we're toast," Hoffman said during a panel discussion at the Tech Policy Summit here.

Last year, of course, a proposed H-1B cap increase found itself a casualty of a far more sweeping immigration bill that died amid myriad political clashes. In recent weeks, a number of standalone H-1B proposals have surfaced, proposing anywhere from doubling to tripling the annual cap, but Hoffman seemed pessimistic about the prospects of any such changes, even on a short-term basis, while the broader divisions persist.

The frustrating result of that political skirmish, Hoffman added, is that this year's class of foreign graduates from American universities most likely won't even have a shot at jobs with technology companies in the United States.

That's because the high-tech industry predicts that, when the petition window for next year's crop of visas opens next week, the number of applications will rapidly exceed the cap, just as it did last year, potentially months before the new graduates even have their requisite degrees in hand. The H-1B program allows foreigners with at least a bachelor's degree in their area of specialty to work for a company in the United States for up to six years. The annual cap is currently 65,000 new visas--not including renewals and an additional 20,000 for foreigners with advanced degrees from U.S. universities.

The H-1B set-up, of course, is not without controversy. A group of American computer programmers called the Programmer's Guild has for years advanced a platform that H-1Bs devalue and displace American workers and that the "shortage" of qualified personnel claimed by technology companies isn't real. Some politicians, including Senators Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), have raised concerns about abuse and proposed requiring U.S. employersto do more to certify that they're giving Americans first dibs on openings before hiring foreigners.

Hoffman, for his part, said his impression is that the idea of allowing more skilled, potentially American university-educated foreigners to work in the United States is really not so contentious, either among politicians or among citizens more broadly.

"If you ask the general public, what's your position on skilled immigration, they'll say, 'Yeah, sure, why not?'" he said. "As opposed to (when you ask) shall we give undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship? And (you hear), 'No, heavens no.'"

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I say if no American fits
by djchrysys March 27, 2008 1:40 AM PDT
If we dont have any one local why not train people, HELLO solve the unemployment problem by putting people to work wow what a novel idea. OH yeah thats right Americans want to get paid real money not peanuts thats why the companies want to import workers or export all of our jobs. Come on wake up put Americans to work not out of work solve our problems at home not from bringing more problems into the situation, we need to take care of the people here not bring in more.
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Killing the Goose that lays the Golden Egg
by gps-dude March 27, 2008 1:53 AM PDT
Study after study confirms that there are not enough Science and engineering workers or students in the US, yet we face this situation where people who are making positive contributions to the American society are turned away. As many as 50% of engineering students in our universities, and 60% of our doctoral students are foreign students, here on non-immigrant visas. If there arent enough H1s to go around, these students will go back to their home countries or countries that value their skills more than the US. The end result will not be better paying tech jobs for Americans, but no jobs at all for Americans, as these high tech jobs follow folks who are qualified to do so in other economies. Turning aways H1s will be like killing the goose that lays the golden egg for America.
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Stereotypical comments about training folks and poorly paid H1s
by gps-dude March 27, 2008 2:08 AM PDT
Poorly paid H1s is a stereotype that folks would do good to get rid off ! Come to the silicon valley and see what a consultant on an H1 makes.. An average guy/gal with a 4-5 years of experience may make as much as $100K, in addition to full health insurance, employer assistance in higher education, flexible hours, great 401K plans.. Yet, when I go to college job fairs for my company, almost 50-60% of the students I see are foreign kids on F1. If these great benefits dont attract Americans to become engineers, what will ? Even if an aggressive program is launched *today* to train more American engineers, it takes FOUR years to train an engineer in basic software engineering, 2 more to get him/her to a level where he/she can work as a systems architect. If H1s are denied to american companies for 4 years, they WILL Offshore these jobs to cheaper locales. Afterall, what would a company prefer more ? A foreign engineer with a masters/bachelors from an American college working in the US, getting paid in $$ or a foreign engineer with a masters/bachelors from an American college working in China/India/Russia ? After all, Oracle, EVDO, Vista, Java development can be done just as well from Chindia as from the US ! Fewer H1s/Green Cards for technology workers will WIPE OUT the American tech industry and make industry leaders relocate a substantial part of their operations overseas.
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Typical unbalanced article
by mofner March 27, 2008 3:38 AM PDT
Typical media article on the subject: sympathetic to the industry lobbyist's argument, giving only 1 paragraph out of 9 to opponents of raising the H-1B cap and treating the opposition as a footnote ("is not without controversy"). If the opposition is only a footnote, then why - with all the millions of dollars that Microsoft and the rest throw into lobbying - do they find it so hard to convince the elected officials to raise the cap? Plus, please read my replies to gps-dude's misleading comments.
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!
by garyn1 March 27, 2008 4:49 AM PDT
Let them hold it hostage. These companies need to be paying Americans a living wage instead of trying to hire some hindu for 25 rupees an hour. We spend a fortune on education in this country and year after year after year cry about pushing math and science in the classroom. And for what? So our kids can't get a job in their own country? Shut up Oracle. Shut up Microsoft, and shut up anyone else who wants to cry about the fact that they can't line their pockets, or their multiple luxury homes with gold because they have to spread the corporate wealth amongst their fellow countrymen.
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Simple math.
by suyts March 27, 2008 5:38 AM PDT
More imported workers in the tech industry = lower wages for the workers in the tech industry.
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Which general population?
by basraw March 27, 2008 6:18 AM PDT
This general population is probably the people you see on the streets with Jay Leno asking questions. They don't know anything bout anything. "If you ask the general public, what's your position on skilled immigration, they'll say, 'Yeah, sure, why not?'" he said.
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Good Discussion
by idonraja March 27, 2008 6:25 AM PDT
Well there were some very good comments made by fellow readers. Here are my two cents. Many foreign students come to US for higher studies, its unfortunate that there are not many Americans going for masters or Phd's, in many cases these graduates end up taking jobs for less money, they have to use the H1B to stay in the country and work. Now if you take away the one option they have to go to work in USA then there will be repercussions. First of all what happens if the number of students coming to US declines? this will result in higher education costs for Americans and job losses universities and patent reductions at the universities. This might or might not be true but is sure logical and since 911 there is an increase in number of people opting for European or Canadian or Australian univs. Well companies do misuse H1B but when you have MS and Phd doing bachelor degree holder's jobs the expectations are higher and they get disappointed many times when they see the BS graduates and the standard at many American univ has dropped. the companies face many other issues like losing employees to competitors etc.... All these other factors have an impact on how companies and H1B aspirants pursue this issue. If you need to improve salaries, there are many places where you can start. IT jobs pay very well. others are not even close. Thanks, Sschin
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Shut down H-1B loopholes = Restore H-1B reputation
by joelam888 March 27, 2008 7:02 AM PDT
While most H-1Bs are truly talented and make more than their local prevailing wage, nobody can deny that there are indeed some foolish workers and greedy employers who have been screwing up the reputation of the H-1B program.
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H-1B
by ed_dykes March 27, 2008 7:20 AM PDT
Anyone out there awake and reading the news? Most H-1B visas go to companies who use them to facilitate outsourcing to India and China. Why our Congress is foolishly pursuing policies that help eliminate jobs and reduce wages is strange. Any representative favoring the current H-1B program needs to be voted out of office and given a shot of reality. We have young men coming back from Iraq looking for opportunities, and Congress wants to give away these opportunities? The path to an H-1B visa: * Graduate from a USA university paying out of state tuition * Serve 4 years in the US military * Then get your H-1B visa
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