April 2, 2008 9:13 AM PDT

Challenges coming to ISO Open XML vote?

Now that Office Open XML (OOXML) has been certified as an ISO standard, there is a possibility that the vote leading to that result will be challenged. It seems Microsoft is already counting on it.

The ISO on Wednesday officially announced that Open XML received enough votes to become a standard, reversing a previous attempt in September that failed.

But there have been several reports of "irregularities" in the voting of the 87 national standards bodies that participated.

Those complaints could lead to a formal appeal of the votes which, under ISO rules, need to be lodged by those countries in the next two months.

Microsoft's director of corporate standards, Jason Matusow, wrote in a blog on Tuesday that challenges to the overall process will likely come. The source? IBM.

"We now see IBM/et al driving an orchestrated process attack in the hopes of overturning the ratification of Open XML, or at least to discredit what has come out of this long, global process," Matusow wrote.

IBM representatives heavily lobbied national standards bodies against approval in the run-up to the vote. But the company itself cannot lodge a formal complaint, a company spokesman said Wednesday.

"As always, the sentiment has to be organic. It will be up to people and organizations in individual countries to decide whether they want to try to appeal this," he said.

Instead, IBM is calling for reform of the standards process and "harmonization" between Open XML and ODF, the OpenDocument Format (ODF), another standardized format.

"While fully cognizant of these current results, I'm energized to take the bigger fight for openness to the next level with the thousands of individuals who are now convinced that the standards system needs fixing, and soon. I hope you'll take part," wrote Bob Sutor, IBM's vice president of open source and standards, who has been a vocal opponent of Open XML standardization.

The case of Norway
On Tuesday, the head of the committee in charge of forming Norway's position on Open XML, Steve Pepper, sent a letter to the ISO complaining that Norway's Yes position did not reflect the views of most participants in that committee.

Standards Norway responded to those criticisms, explaining why Norway changed its vote to Yes even though not all of its issues with the specification were addressed.

The letter from Standards Norway appears to indicate that the country's position will not be changed or suspended during an appeal. An ISO representative on Tuesday said that the ISO had not received a formal protest from its Norwegian delegation, indicating that Pepper's complaint did not represent the country's overall position.

In his blog, Microsoft's Matusow reproduced an English translation of Standards Norway's response to Pepper's complaint as well as letter from Germany's national standards organization.

In Germany, too, there were accusations of improprieties in what was a close vote, but Germany's standards organization said it will not change its Yes position to No or Abstain.

"The steering committee has accepted the process as compliant with the rules with a majority of 7 to 6 and therefore it has seen no reason to lift the decision of the working group. If the majority of the working group would have been convinced that the process of dealing with and voting were noncompliant to the rules then the German vote would have been changed to abstain," according to a translated statement.

The voting record shows that 75 percent of countries voted to approve and 14 percent voted against. To pass, it needed a two-thirds majority and not more than a quarter opposed.

As such, a change in one country's vote would not affect the overall result.

Meanwhile, one of the participants in Standards Norway's Open XML vote, Geir Isene, speculated that the European Union will investigate what happened in that country.

In February, the Wall Street Journal reported that European antitrust regulators were investigating earlier steps in the ISO voting process.

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Re: "Challenges coming to ISO Open XML vote?"!
by Commander_Spock April 2, 2008 9:53 AM PDT
Told ya all; "It Is Not Going To Be Over Until The Fat Lady Sings". :-) M ;-) M :-)
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Riiiight...
by sal-magnone April 2, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
...IBM is interested in the common good. Just like the EU is interested in competative trade.

This is a dirty fight all around.
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Armonk clean? Hmmm...
by cmwendy April 2, 2008 11:06 AM PDT
Standards Norway voted to change its ISO ballot to ?Yes? for approval of OOXML. They used their process to do so. According to the standards body, though they knew this decision would receive criticism, the change to ?Yes? was ?not unexpected?.

As I see it, the ?Yes? decision was based on the standards body?s own authority and rules, balanced by several other factors, which included: 1. An impasse occurred in the technical committee, stranding the further development of the Ecma / OOXML standard; 2. There was overwhelming support for passage of the OOXML standard at the formal hearings, conflicting with, and further isolating, the technical committee and its impasse; 3. ISO remains the best place to ensure that the important Ecma standard can be maintained and improved, and that work must go forward; and 4. International cooperation / comity between ISO / IEC demand that Standards Norway best ensure that the proposals they work on can be approved at ISO ? that is, there is a strong institutional disposition toward approval.

If this is irregular, then I hope all are this clean.

Now let's look at September's "No" vote from Kenya - which was written by a Malaysian Delegate and an ICT industry representative (hint - not from Redmond, but the other side of the US). Let's take a look at South Africa. India. Brazil. Venezuela. China. If the EC is gonna' look, they might do well to look at Armonk and others, too.
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I think everything went fair....
by Carion April 2, 2008 12:54 PM PDT
Just as fair as the elections in Zimbabwe...
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IBM - An expert on irregularities
by robvme April 2, 2008 1:01 PM PDT
This from a company that was just suspended from doing business with the federal government for irregular business practices.
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Fast track?
by jeromatron April 2, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
I understand that Microsoft needs the approval to allay fears of a non-standardize format among government customers, but objectively I don't think this proposal deserves the Fast Track at all. There are so many problems and questions about the format that remain, it just seems logical to take a step back and put it through the regular process.
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IBM, et al, should shut up and move on
by paulej April 2, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
I have no personal interest in which technology wins. But, I can report that I've been using Office 2007 for a long time now and I'm quite happy with it. The only problem is the very fact that it uses XML. XML is slower to process than the older binary file format. How slow? Well, with a very large document, I can see a difference in performance of about 4 seconds to load to 12 seconds to load. Still, the worlds wants a dog-slow XML format... whatever.

Putting performance aside, it works. Is it the *best* way? Are there potential issues? As a customer, why do I care? I just expect Microsoft to make its products work correctly. I would expect all vendors to come to agreement on solutions to "issues" that are found. I do not see any reason to go back and forth for a very long time in an effort to create a "pure" standard that one believes has no issues.

I can assure you: there will be issues, even after studying the problem for 10 years. I do not believe it is in anybody's interest to delay this work for 10 years or even 2 more years.

Would it help Microsoft? No, they're shipping products now. Would it help IBM? Who uses their word processor? What would help IBM is if they adopted OOXML and shipped a product!

Paul
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EU investigation would be good.
by t8 April 2, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
<QUOTE>In February, the Wall Street Journal reported that European antitrust regulators were investigating earlier steps in the ISO voting process.</QUOTE>

Great, coz the EU doesn't take Microsoft crap like the US and others. If there were dodgy going ons, then they should find them.
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Why is Microsoft scared?
by interoperate April 2, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
If there were no illegal or inappropriate actions taken by Microsoft or its partners during the ISO process, why is Microsoft so scared?
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worlds oldest profession
by Dalkorian April 2, 2008 4:03 PM PDT
Anyone who's been paying attention can plainly see the ISO just
prostituted itself on a filthy street corner. It's a sad day indeed,
ISO certification used to mean more than "we gots to get paid!"

This bastardization known as OOXML is nothing more than a
patent trap that uses 6,000 pages of legalese to hide the fact
that's it's really a proprietary standard. There is NOTHING open
about this, except possibly the realization that M$ will once
again try to use their $$$ to kill off any competition so they can
keep their suckers - I mean "customers" - locked into a
proprietary standard.

Everyone can see this, only some people got paid to lie about it.
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Legal Tender Or Not Legal Tender!
by Commander_Spock April 2, 2008 9:31 PM PDT
This article states in part; "Now that Office Open XML (OOXML) has been certified as an ISO standard, there is a possibility that the vote leading to that result will be challenged. It seems Microsoft is already counting on it..." How about we all wait and see if the "INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT B-A-N-K-S" start "counting on it" (Office Open XML (OOXML)) too. ;-) :-$ :-)

Read the subject line!
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To The Hague With Them!
by Sumatra-Bosch April 3, 2008 4:11 PM PDT
Enough with the regulators' slapping contest. Ballmer in the dock in The Hague for crimes and attempted crime (OOXML) against humanity.
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Outing IBM, others, from former Ecma head
by Thom101 April 4, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
The former head of standards body Ecma International (Jan van den Beld) has been blogging about the standards process and the Open XML vote from an insider's point of view. He lists some pretty outrageous examples of shenanigans from those opposed to Open XML standardization. For instance, Google joined several national standards bodies at the last minute (March 26, 27) just to vote no. In Italy, where one company should have one vote, IBM voted once and then its subsidiary voted as well. Anyway, check it out: http://janvandenbeld.blogspot.com/ and
http://janvandenbeld.blogspot.com/2008/04/hypocrisy.html
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