Nvidia CEO goes on Intel rant
Nvidia CEO and co-founder Jen-Hsun Huang let rip with a diatribe against Intel at Nvidia's financial analyst day on Thursday. Huang cited frustration with recent Intel comments stating that discrete graphics cards will become "unnecessary."

Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang
(Credit: Nvidia)Because Intel, the world's largest chipmaker, includes integrated-graphics silicon in most of its chipsets the company has become the world's largest supplier of graphics chips. Its upcoming Nehalem processors will move the graphics from the chipset onto the same piece of silicon as the main processor. A design that is expected to result in vastly better performance.
(Note: A contrarian take on the graphics market states that Nvidia remains the #1 graphics supplier because approximately 73 million Intel integrated graphics processors (IGP) are unused in systems due to "double-attach" with an Nvidia solution, according to Doug Freedman of American Technology Research. More here at ExtremeTech.)
This image of Intel as an unstoppable graphics juggernaut is what Huang takes issue with. What set him off initially was a comment from an Intel graphics and gaming technologist who said that consumers "probably won't need" discrete cards in the future. Nvidia's primary business is designing and supplying graphics chips for discrete graphics cards that go into PCs.
"We don't typically like to do this. It's just that we've been taking it and taking it and taking it. Every single frickin' day. Are you allowed to say that word? Every day all over the world. Enough is enough."
Huang was especially upset about Intel's claims of boosting integrated graphics performance in the future, saying Intel's claims paled against what Nvidia will achieve by that time.
"Claim after claim after claim. They're just false. They cross the line of fair play," he said. "Here's another one. Nvidia's gonna be dead. Because we're (Intel) sticking the graphics in the CPU and (Nvidia) will have no place to stick it," he said.
Huang also attacked Intel's marketing machine. "Just because they have this enormous marketing budget. Just because they have platforms everywhere in the world. It doesn't make it right. To take on smaller companies. It's just not right."
Huang also mounted an aggressive defense of gaming on the PC--one of the main reasons many consumers opt for Nvidia graphics chips. He began by claiming that Intel graphics can't run games. "We're not the only ones saying this. This is Tim Sweeney. One of the most important game developers in the entire world. 'Intel is incapable of running modern games. Intel's integrated graphics just don't work. I don't think they will ever work.' This wasn't said in 1994. This was said on March 10, 2008," Huang said.
"(It's) one of the most important apps. I play games. A lot more people play games today than before. It's a big industry. We happen to think games are important. Game developers are important. Game players are important. Online games, important. Retail games, important. First person shooters, important. Simulation games, important. I'm a perfectly grown adult. I'm not ashamed of them."
Intel also has plans to bring out a graphics engine code-named Larrabee that uses "many cores" to take on high-end engineering and scientific applications. And presumably games too.
When asked to comment, Intel spokesman Dan Snyder said, "Are you surprised? Nvidia's CEO has been very vocal about their feelings for several months now, so I don't think any of this comes as a surprise."
Brooke Crothers is a former editor at large at CNET News.com, and has been an editor for the Asian weekly version of the Wall Street Journal. He writes for the CNET Blog Network, and is not a current employee of CNET. Contact him at mbcrothers@gmail.com. Disclosure.
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I do computer animation, and NEVER would I even think of not using a GPU card when working with 3D Apps. These application demand the best performance available when dealing with large projects and working with integrated graphics is suicide. It basically feels like working on a old pentium 1 machine. So rest assured, Nvidia will remain king for a long time still.
INNOVATE!
INNOVATE!
OR
GIVE UP & QUIT
I will never hurt myself that way again. Intel will have to try a LOT harder and do a LOT better in future. And they'll have to do it for a long time before I'll trust them with my graphics again.
Love their CPU's, hate their graphics.
Anyone who plays games or wants to watch HD movies on their PC will not be using an integrated chip. And Intels graphic chips are the worst in the business.
Intel should just give up on graphics and leave it to the big guys at AMD/ATI and Nvidia who know what they are doing.
Onboard graphics are only good on laptops and for old desktops that do nothing more than word processing.
A video system requires an ENORMOUS amount of memory bandwidth. But the memory is accessed in a very LINEAR manner. This leads to memory and memory subsystems optimized for these type of accesses. A general CPU does not access memory in as linear a manner. Memory and memory subsystems optimized for a general purpose CPU is going to look different. If you optimize for one, you degrade the performance of the other if you're trying to integrate the two systems.
Furthermore, CPU's have memory bandwidth issues of their own. And this is getting MUCH worse as intel moves to put more cores on a single piece of silicon. Allocating a large chunk of that to video is going to seriously hurt CPU performance... and if you don't you'll seriously hurt video performance.
So even if you integrate the video function onto the the CPU, it's going to need it's own memory managment system and it's own memory interface dedicated to memory optimized for video performance or it's going to perform poorly.
I don't think Intel is going to be able to deal with the package issues and other technical issues that doing this properly is going to raise for some time.
All of this can be done because, after 150 years, Nvidia will have reinvented the computer. It's time to say goodbye to Charles Babbage and break the Wintel monopoly. Who needs Windows or x86 compatibility if you can download any app you want and play wickedly cool games on top of it? Is Nvidia up to the challenge? Is anybody?
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by ZohaibKhairi
September 13, 2008 11:50 AM PDT
- Man, if only Nvidia merged with Intel, AMD would be screwed then amd would have to drop their **** real low, and then consumers would be happy :O 20$ computers that can play crysis
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