April 15, 2008 12:52 PM PDT

Tax-free Internet shopping days could be numbered

Americans gather at the base of the Capitol building in Washington, D.C., to protest the income tax and federal government overreaching. Rep. Ron Paul spoke at the rally earlier in the day.

(Credit: Declan McCullagh/News.com)

If tax-hungry politicians get their way, the days of ordering items over the Internet and not paying sales tax may become just a fond memory.

Right now, if a California resident orders something from Seattle-based Amazon.com, for instance, he or she won't be charged sales tax at the time of purchase. That's because Amazon doesn't have offices in the state of California.

Pro-tax politicians want to change this by allowing California to force Amazon to collect and submit sales taxes--and they may have found an ally in a U.S. Congress that's controlled by Democrats. (Note: See our related story on new taxes on digital downloads.)

Two bills are pending in Congress that would allow tax collectors to target out-of-state Internet and mail-order retailers, and their supporters are optimistic about their political prospects.

"I certainly would love to see a floor vote," said Neal Osten, federal affairs counsel for the National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL), a lobby group for state politicians. "We've heard encouraging words from the Democratic leadership in the House."

Meanwhile, pro-tax states are trying their own ways to circumvent a long-standing rule saying a retailer must have physical presence before it can be forced to collect taxes. One effort came from New York state, where legislators recently approved a measure requiring Amazon and other online retailers (that lack a physical presence in the state) to collect sales tax on New Yorkers' purchases.

That amounts to a declaration of war against Amazon, and a legal battle now seems all but inevitable.

This is not exactly a new debate. For years, politicians in state legislatures and the U.S. Congress have been arguing that the rise of e-commerce is causing them to miss out on potentially millions of taxpayer dollars. But now, with a Democratic Congress and a potentially Democratic administration next year, the arguments may gain more political traction.

Technically, of course, Americans in states with sales taxes are supposed to keep track of out-of-state purchases and cough up the necessary sales tax on April 15--the concept is known as a "use tax". But state tax collectors have long complained that in practice, that just doesn't happen, and that money has been unfairly left in taxpayers' pocketbooks.

Verenda Smith, government affairs associate for the Federation of Tax Administrators, framed the decision as a moral one of sorts: "Do you want to be a good American, or do you want to be an American who wants to cheat your government deliberately? It's a harsh way to look at it, but it's true."

Smith said she's also concerned that there's not a level playing field, which is potentially giving online retailers an advantage over their brick-and-mortar counterparts.

It's not exactly clear how much money states are losing to uncollected use taxes. Some politicians have thrown around claims in the past that state and local governments will have lost nearly half a trillion dollars in uncollected sales taxes by 2011.

More generally, total e-commerce sales were estimated at $136.4 billion in 2007, up about 19 percent from the year before, according to the latest U.S. Census statistics. That figure still accounted for only about 3.4 percent of total 2007 retail sales in the United States, however, as opposed to about 2.9 percent in 2006.

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The legal limits of sales-tax collection
States are currently limited in their sales tax collection authority because of a 1992 U.S. Supreme Court decision in the Quill v. North Dakota case. It says retailers aren't required to collect sales taxes from customers who live in states where they don't have a physical presence, or "nexus." The justices did, however, make it clear that Congress could step in and change the rules.

The ruling came out the way it did in part because tax codes tend to be quite complex and vary among states and localities, with bewilderingly different tax rates associated with the same kind of product. In response, some states have tried to smooth out their differences.

Over the past five years, 22 states have signed on, either wholly or partially, to a plan known as the Streamlined Sales Tax and Use Agreement, in which they agree to simplify their tax codes and make them uniform. About 20 more states are still considering whether to participate.

Steve Del Bianco, executive director of the NetChoice Coalition, whose members include eBay and Yahoo, said he doesn't think the plan has really simplified matters for retailers, nor has it produced the effects states were seeking.

"Fiscally strapped states thought that (the streamlined sales tax project) would bring a flood of new tax revenue, but they're seeing just a trickle, and that's coming from sellers who should have already been collecting under the old tax laws," he said.

That may be in part because adopting the streamlined sales tax system is voluntary to begin with. Participating states don't have the authority to require any retailers to collect those taxes from their residents, although if companies sign up to collect sales taxes under the regime, they must agree to do so in all participating states. (Some 1,000 companies have signed up so far, resulting in at least $150 million in newly collected taxes since the venture began, said NCSL's Osten.)

The push in Congress
Two bills introduced last spring in Congress, however, would change that. The Senate version is sponsored by Republican Michael Enzi of Wyoming and Democrat Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, and the House of Representatives version was introduced by Democrat Bill Delahunt of Massachusetts and is co-sponsored by Rep. John Conyers, chairman of the influential House Judiciary Committee.

In the past, similar proposals have stalled in part because of a disagreement over a section that attempts to exempt "small businesses" from the new tax-collection burden. Both pending bills stipulate that sellers who bring in less than $5 million in taxable sales per year don't have to collect taxes from their customers. eBay, for one, has argued that exemption is too high and could cause new administrative headaches for even small-time sellers.

The relevant congressional committees have already held hearings on the issue, with the latest one occurring last December in a House Judiciary subcommittee. The NCSL's Osten said he feels good about how that hearing went.

Elly Pickett, an Enzi spokeswoman, said the Wyoming Republican "continues work to secure additional co-sponsors and is hopeful it will be considered this year."

Aides to the committees controlling the bills' movement were less forthcoming about what happens next. An aide to Sen. Max Baucus, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, said the committee was aware of Enzi's bill but hasn't scheduled debate on it yet. House Judiciary Committee aides did not respond to requests for comment.

As for New York's recent move, it aims to circumvent the tax-collection restrictions that differ from the more common streamlined sales tax project. Instead, the state determined that any online retailer with "affiliates" located in its state would be required to collect sales taxes from purchases by New York-based customers.

Amazon, for example, has thousands of "affiliates" to whom it pays a commission for linking to products for sale on its Web site. Presumably some of them are located in New York, which would mean, under the state's interpretation, that it would have to collect sales tax from its residents. (Amazon.com did not respond to News.com's requests for comment on the New York law but has previously said it's still reviewing the language.)

Other states, including California, have considered such steps, but Osten said his group would actually discourage that method if they're really interested in increasing their tax revenues. "I think this option is one that is probably gong to be litigated and will therefore cause delay," he said.

News.com's Declan McCullagh contributed to this report.

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There are plenty of income sources other than taxes.
by Dead Soulman April 15, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
How about stopping the hemorrhage of money in the middle east. We're getting the middle finger from Washington as we go into further debt financing this whole nonsense in Iraq.
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Oh Canada?
by kaufmanmoore April 15, 2008 1:59 PM PDT
With The Loonie being basically on par with the dollar these organizations should move up north. For more expensive electronic/computer purchases, i'd gladly pay higher shipping to save on sales tax.
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Yea right
by RCambre April 15, 2008 2:16 PM PDT
Stop crying. Louisiana already pays a fee, tax, surcharge whatever they want to call it on all online purchases where state tax is not charged
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Federal Government?
by open-mind April 15, 2008 2:38 PM PDT
Why is the federal government involved in the regulation of state taxes?

Shouldn't individual states regulate their own sales tax policies?
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My favorite tax of all time...
by thurston24 April 15, 2008 3:13 PM PDT
Voluntary tax...

Lotteries are most often run by governments or local states. The astronomically high odds against winning have also led to the epithets of a "tax on stupidity", "math tax" or the oxymoron "voluntary tax"
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Money "unfairly" left in taxpayers' pocketbooks?
by Solaris_User April 15, 2008 3:14 PM PDT
Taxes are nothing more than legalized theft, for what right does the government have to commandeer the fruits of your labor?

The government doesn't have anything, not a single thing, that it didn't take (steal) from somebody else by force, or by the threat of force.

If it is true that all of us are forced to turn our wages over to the government for 4 months out of the year until we start working for ourselves than for that 4 months we are slaves who work for free.
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Bad economy? No problem..tax 'em more
by breakaoss April 15, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
Just as the subject line says.
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LOL! You idiots voted for this!
by assclownbush April 15, 2008 3:49 PM PDT
As long as you keep voting these anti-American politicians to office, you will continue to be screwed.
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Completely Out of Touch
by cmstratton April 15, 2008 4:05 PM PDT
How out of touch is Veranda Smith and other politicians who feel money is "unfairly being left in taxpayers' pocketbooks" and who fell people are "cheating our government deliberately?" How about all of the useless programs, studies, wars etc. politicians spend all of our hard-earned money on. In my opinion, the politicians who waste our money are the real criminals here - let's talk about them, not the average consumer who's living paycheck to paycheck these days.
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Internet Tax Freedom Act of 1998
by chash360 April 15, 2008 4:36 PM PDT
Did we forget so quickly?

How is what they are proposing not violate this act which I believe did get renewed in 2007?

Will the insanity never stop?
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They aren't losing any money
by williambraski April 15, 2008 5:07 PM PDT
Because it's money they never HAD in the first place.

I concur with another comment I saw. The economy is in the toilet. People are putting cash away to live on. Now politicians want to dip into it.

I'm getting incredibly tired of funding crap I never use (that includes welfare/food stamps for the lazy. sorry but that's how i feel.)

I'll be writing my states blood sucking leeches over this.
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Boon for Canada
by Mergatroid Mania April 15, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
Lol

What a laugh. I can just see the increase in over-the-border on-line shopping right now.

If they had any brains, they would come up with a federal on-line/mail-order tax that all the out-of-state companies would have to charge their customers. Then, at the end of the year (or month), these companies would remit these taxes to the federal government, which would in turn divvy it up amongst the states.

Simple for all the retailers because it would be just one tax, and one rule.

They could apply this same tax to international sales, to be collected by customs. This would prevent the Canadian connection from happening.

Currently, Canada has a national sales tax called the GST (goods and services tax) which is collected on anything brought into the country by our customs agents. So, the logistics are no problem.
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Tunnel vision stupidity
by Hellbent_free April 15, 2008 7:38 PM PDT
I can see it now. A 10 year old in the Ukraine sells a much loved toy to an American youth via eBay but fails to pay the tax. One of your State Governments then sends a public servant over to the Ukraine to extort the tax and travel costs from the 10 year old.

I don't think so - or rather, are your politicians as stupid as ours huh?
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Who's doing this math?
by restassured April 15, 2008 9:29 PM PDT
Is there anything better than sensational bogus statistics? Some politicians claim states would lose half a trillion dollars in tax by 2011? Do they think most Americans didn't make it past 2nd grade math? Let's examine that claim with real math and logic:

Here are the e-commerce retail sales for the last 9 years:

2007 $136B
2006 $108B
2005 $86B
2004 $69B
2003 $57B
2002 $44
2001 $34
2000 $29
1999 $15

Source: http://www.census.gov/eos/www/archives.html

That's a total of $578 billion in revenue for 99-07.

Now, if we assume an average of 7% sales tax, and we assume that ALL items are taxable (which in most states they are not, like food and clothing), you would need $7.14 trillion in revenue to accumulate sales tax of $500 billion (which is the claimed lost tax by 2011).

That would mean that e-commerce would have to magically jump from $136B in revenue to an average of $1.6 trillion each year for 08-11. I mean, seriously, their figures are not even in the same ballpark as reality.
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The Democrats can't wait for this tax..
by Al57 April 15, 2008 10:57 PM PDT
They will find a way to close the internet "loophole". Unless I know the person, I won't ever vote for another Democrat again.
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Your Voting Rights At Work
by mycroft69 April 16, 2008 5:26 AM PDT
Since everyone wanted the liberal Democrats in Congress, what are they complaining about? Either vote them out or shut your mouths and live with the consequences of your choices.
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Do you want to be a good American?!? HUH?
by kwiswall April 16, 2008 7:44 AM PDT
"Do you want to be a good American, or do you want to be an American who wants to cheat your government deliberately? It's a harsh way to look at it, but it's true."
What kind of crap is this?! We are the ones being cheated by the government in this situation.
This blows, I am moving to Canada!
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What a load of...
by Heebee Jeebies April 16, 2008 8:17 AM PDT
I love this "Verenda Smith, government affairs associate for the Federation of Tax Administrators, framed the decision as a moral one of sorts: "Do you want to be a good American, or do you want to be an American who wants to cheat your government deliberately? It's a harsh way to look at it, but it's true.""

What about our government. Does it want to be a good government for the people, by the people as our founding fathers laid out in the constitution or do they want to be cheats and louses? Well I guess they chose to be cheats and louses. How about we pay our taxes on out of state purchases when the government does what we want, how we want, when we want, they stop shafting the little guy and the middle and low income people and they do what's best for America and the the majority of the people instead of their special interest pets. When that happens I would be more than happy to pay the taxes on something I bought for Amazon.com.

Robert
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War? This ends the war, it doesn't start it.
by jdmorris April 16, 2008 8:18 AM PDT
This advantage for on line sellers arguably made sense as a subsidy for a nascent, forward-looking technology. But there were some losers our culture will miss. Local book sellers. Mom and pop music stores. And more.

Plus increased real estate and other taxes went up as states and localities tried to maintain revenues. With the current economic woes, they'll have to go up again unless another revenue stream can be found. So this is timely.

Restoring the sales tax doesn't start the war, it ends the war that was previously launched against local retailers and state governments.

I don't want to pay taxes either. But this is overdue.

It's a shame it won't help the defunct small businesses that couldn't compete against both technology and this now-unnecessary subsidy.
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Sales Taxes are Stupid and Evil
by chash360 April 16, 2008 10:40 AM PDT
Scenerio:
1. Consumers hurt by the economy, are spending less.
2. Sales tax revenue goes down.
3. Politicians increase sales taxes, making purchase costs go up.
4. Consumers spend even less, as costs go up.
5. Sales tax revenue goes down.
6. Politicians increase sales taxes, making purchase costs go up.

Need I repeat more?

When are you other states going to realize the stupidity of sales taxes!!!

They will destroy your state's economy, and eventually, you will become another state so poluted and expensive to live in, that you will want to move here, and ruin our environment as well.
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