April 22, 2008 10:50 AM PDT

Net neutrality battle returns to the U.S. Senate

WASHINGTON--Net neutrality has returned to Capitol Hill.

The saga of Comcast's throttling of BitTorrent file-sharing traffic--and intense interest from the Federal Communications Commission, including a hearing at Stanford University last week--has appended the topic onto at least some politicians' to-do list.

At a Senate Commerce Committee hearing entitled "The Future of the Internet" on Tuesday, Democratic politicians argued for passage of a law designed to prohibit broadband operators from creating a "fast lane" for certain Internet content and applications. Their stance drew familiar criticism from the cable industry, their Republican counterparts, and FCC Chairman Kevin Martin, who said there's no demonstrated need for new rules, at this point.

Much of the discussion revolved around whether the FCC already has sufficient authority to take action against network operators found to be interfering unreasonably with their customers' Internet use. Comcast, for its part, has argued that the federal agency doesn't--and the Democrats present said their legislation is necessary to clarify the FCC's enforcement role.

"To whatever degree people were alleging that this was a solution in search of a problem, it has found its problem," said Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.). "We have an obligation to try and guarantee that the same freedom and the same creativity that was able to bring us to where we are today continues, going forward."

Kerry is one of the backers of a bill called the Internet Freedom Preservation Act, chiefly sponsored by North Dakota Democrat Byron Dorgan and Maine Republican Olympia Snowe, which resurfaced at the beginning of 2007 but has gotten little attention since. A similar measure failed in a divided Commerce Committee and in the House of Representatives nearly two years ago.

Chairman Martin told the committee that he continues to believe that the FCC doesn't need to write new regulations because it already has the authority to enforce its existing broadband connectivity principles, which say consumers have the right to access the lawful Internet content and applications of their choice.

He acknowledged, however, that based on Comcast's interpretation, his agency could face litigation if it opts to act on a complaint against the cable operator's throttling of peer-to-peer file-sharing traffic, which he characterized on Tuesday as "a relatively inexpensive, blunt means to reduce peer-to-peer traffic by blocking certain traffic completely."

Martin said the agency hadn't yet reached a conclusion about whether those actions violated its principles. Comcast, for its part, reiterated in a statement Tuesday that it "does not, has not, and will not block any Web sites or online applications, including peer-to-peer services," and it repeated its plans to migrate to a "protocol-agnostic" way of managing data flows by the end of the year.

"To whatever degree people were alleging that this was a solution in search of a problem, it has found its problem."
--Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.)

With the threat of litigation looming, a number of Democrats questioned why Martin isn't asking Congress to grant the FCC new authority (or, perhaps, to clarify its existing authority) by rewriting the law.

"I believe what you are saying is that you believe you need authority to take action on these areas, and one of the biggest content providers says you don't have that authority, so shouldn't you be asking us to do something, in the event this is unclear, and you spend the next three to four years in court?" Dorgan asked.

Martin said he wasn't deterred by Comcast's implicit legal threat. He repeatedly cited the U.S. Supreme Court's 2005 Brand X decision that, in his judgment, stated that the FCC has legal authority to "adopt any rules we deem necessary to adequately protect consumers' broadband rights."

"Almost every action the Commission takes, we get taken to court," he told the committee. "That's probably why I'm not as hesitant, in that sense."

Kyle McSlarrow, president of the National Cable & Telecommunications Association, argued against any new regulations, saying there's no evidence that any of his member companies have ever engaged in content blocking or "anticompetitive conduct." He added that the NCTA, which counts Comcast among its members, fully supports the FCC's broadband policy statement.

But as for whether the FCC can stop companies from violating those principles, "it's not even a close call; the answer is no," McSlarrow told the committee.

"You support (the principles) but don't think they should be enforceable?" Dorgan asked him.

McSlarrow said he believes that there are other rules on the books to combat any unfair or anticompetitive practices, should they arise.

Republican senators, for their part, said the public outcry over the Comcast-BitTorrent incident and the ongoing FCC probe further demonstrates that there's no need for Congress to intervene. Committee vice chairman Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) called new rules "entirely unwarranted," contending that the Comcast situation "showed the system will right itself, if someone really tries to interfere with the fair access and right treatment of everyone using Internet systems."

A prominent representative of the entertainment industry disputed those assertions. Writers Guild of America West President Patric Verrone told the committee that without Net neutrality laws, the Internet will be "be turned into a walled garden of content control," making it harder for new voices to emerge and distribute their creations openly.

Stanford Law School Professor Larry Lessig, who also flew to Washington for the event, said politicians must enact laws that are as "minimal and (as) clear as possible." Without such measures in place, he said, Silicon Valley investors will be discouraged from devising applications because they won't know what the network will look like in five years. On the other hand, a future Congress can rewrite laws too.

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Oh great..
by McPlot April 22, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
Here comes more bit torrent whiners complaining that Comcast should burn in heck because they had trouble downloading a full length movie that was not even out yet in theaters. Anyone really using the internet for legal purposes should thank Comcast for slowing down the bandwidth hogging, illegal file sharing, not even at their computers, whiners. The government should step in, and arrest them for sharing (IE stealing) copy right protected movies, music, and software. Whine all you want, we know what you are doing.
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Net neutrality
by 11manfred70 April 22, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
It has to be neutral to prevent slowing growth.
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Why do Republicans hate freedom?
by GIRv2.0 April 22, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
If there is a way to censor, squash, discourage and take advantage of the common folk, you know the Republicans will be right on top.

The Republicans obey their masters, which is any big corporation with a vested interest in whatever legislation is the flavor of the month.

Get a clue. The GOP exists to line their own pockets with whatever filthy lucre they can scrape up. And, of course, when it comes to the internet they want more control. Why? Because a citizen with internet access has more information options available, and the GOP does NOT want people to have information. A well informed populace is harder to control and manipulate.

Not that they should worry overmuch. At least 50% of the US population LIKES being manipulated apparently.
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It Figures. A lawless group used as an example...
by WJeansonne April 22, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
of Comcast put the breaks on there criminal behavior. Everyone knows that BitTorrent users are mostley Internet based thieves, so again the Democrats align themseleves with yet another lawless group. What a joke.
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misguided
by westie9 April 22, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
bit torrent is a way of sending data over the internet, a protocol. There are many uses of bit torrent that are legal. World of Warcraft patches are sent to over 10 million people using the bit torrent protocol, Linux distributions are also sent using bit torrent as it keeps the cost down for these companies that offer a free product. This is not an illegal movie or music download its a legal download and its also targeted by this throttling. This is the problem with this protocol based approach. Why should my legal download be hindered because my internet provider has cast such a wide net. if the problem is like they say, that a small minority of users are taking up a majority of the bandwidth and impacting others use of the service then why not throttle those top users, why should I be punished.

This is the definition of net-neutrality. All traffic is treated equal. If they say they will throttle the top users at peak times to keep the network from becoming over congested thats fine as it ignores what they are doing, its content neutral, and it falls under net neutrality.
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Good Point!
by WJeansonne April 22, 2008 2:18 PM PDT
It still hasn't even been definitely proven that Linux code wasn't stolen. The buyers of SCO intend to appeal the judge's opinion.
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The problem is simple.
by FireyIce01 April 22, 2008 7:38 PM PDT
The providers (comcast, etc) sell connections to the internet. When you sign up for service, they sell you a set amount of bandwidth. say 1mb/512k. What they are selling you is a pipe. They're telling you that you can download 1mbps and upload 512kbps all day long to your hearts content. THEN, they're selling that same piece of pipe to half a dozen of your neighbors, under the same stipulations. This wasn't a problem when the internet wasn't so graphics intense. (another issue, there are some sites with just way too much media, but I digress)

Now, however, everyone that's paid for this broadband service is trying to use it, and unfortunately, since everyone's trying to use the same piece of pipe, the pressure (throughput) suffers.

Now, Comcast, who has oversold their infrastructure, is trying to blame the consumers that are 'heavy users' for their lack of infrastructure.

This is not the consumers fault. This isn't the P2P people's fault. Comcast agreed to provide these people with the specified bandwidth, and then when they use it, they're slapping their hands for abusing their service.

When the providers stop overselling their product, and actually build up the network so that every user has the entire piece of bandwidth that they are paying for to themselves, the traffic problem will simply go away.
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North American Networks are all Wrong
by Core_M April 23, 2008 12:04 AM PDT
Networks in North America are build "wrong". That is to say that your standard tier 1 providers (Peer1, CogentCo, etc.) are fine, but to solve the last-mile problem, you rely on very few ISPs that have achieved economies of scale, effectively making it impossible for other tier 2 providers to take hold. Then tier 3 ISPs are at the mercy of the non-neutral monopolistic tier 2 providers.

The problem lies in the fact that there is very little legislation in place to stop this. I know that many will stop reading here and will dismiss me for having said this, but government intervention is hardly a sin.

In France, for example, France Telecom is largely government operated and they build the networks. Telephone, TV, internet and wireless networks all work off the same optical backbone that France Telecom built using tax money. As a result, residential services are approaching 100bmit symmetric speeds.

Now critics will argue that the french government is trying to pass legislation to stop illegal downloads. Europeans, however, are largely unfazed, and here is the crucial reason why: the government works for the people, and not the other way around. In North America, people are afraid of the government, whereas in Europe, the government is afraid of the people.

Supposedly the founding fathers of the United States understood that concept very well, being Europeans themselves. Where that got lost, I do not know, but its quite interesting to note this behavior can be noted in things as basic as network deployments. Net neutrality cannot truly be reached until somebody decides that the net must be neutral, somebody that has no agenda behind the decision. In this case, that needs to be internet users and nobody else...
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Wake Up And Smell The Coffee
by kjam_productions April 23, 2008 3:16 AM PDT
What a sham! Comcast isn't just throttling Bit Torrent, it's doing it to any and all uploading. It doesn't matter if I'm uploading my weekly podcast, pictures to Flickr, or backing up my files to an online storage service...they're throttling everything ! Frankly, I think they should be sued for their misleading advertising. There's nothing "superfast" about my Internet service.
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Govt intervention, end of the Internet
by SkiingUSA April 23, 2008 1:50 PM PDT
I love playing the Devil's Advocate...

Once the Govt gets its hands in this, it will meddle with everything. Next thing you know it will cost you 5 cents an email (gotta make up for lost revenue in the Post Office somehow) and other stupid unnecessary laws that shouldn't even be considered (but will).

Bottom line, All ISPs do some kind of traffic shaping; without it, networks would be horrible. How is it fair that one guy on the block uses a terabyte of bandwidth to upload stupid videos to Youtube or download every movie made in the 21st century and the guy next door cant check his email because one person is sucking the pipe dry?

They aren't flagging and dropping the traffic, just re-prioritizing it. It still gets thru, it just might not get priority over all other traffic in the pipe. I know we've become so selfish that we always think that the Youtube clip that we want to see paramounts everyone else's needs, but as the number of users on the Internet increase faster than the infrastructures can be built out, its just the nature of things.

Apparently we all forget waiting 20 mins to download a 1 meg file with 56k, so I dont think having your BitTorrent stuff throttled a little bit is the end of the world (DOWNLOAD IT AT NIGHT). Get the government involved, and theyll start messing with everything. If you need 50 terabytes a second, upgrade your service or get yourself a dedicated line. Otherwise, go watch the newest South Park about Internet outages and be happy your not still running on the phone lines.

Do you really think some Senator from Alaska (do they even have broadband in Alaska) has any idea about what they are talking about? They jump on the bandwagon because its the hot topic of the moment and make you think its important when its really not that big a deal.

ISPs want to give you as much bandwidth as they can, why wouldnt they, they dont make money by saving bandwidth, but everyone has the right to equal bandwidth if they are paying the same, so they shape traffic to be fair to everyone.
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Bit Torrent IS the PROBLEM
by truckls April 24, 2008 6:04 AM PDT
As a rural WISP I deal with the issue of bit hogging every day. If BT made it easier for the end user to adjust the number of inbound and outbound connections possible then my job of balancing would be alot easier. I try to provide a service to homes and business that may never see a large service provider in their lifetime. If I have to choose between the latest questionable BT download or a teacher grading papers on line guess who gets hit.

Shared connections like Comcast cable or my long range WIFI share a weakness, packet size/number ratio, mounds of small size packets create collison and retrys verses fewer larger packets that lower latency and improve volume. I have seen times when the BT packet and connection count looks like a DOS attack on a major website!

There is no amount of hardware or backbone availble that can overcome this problem for either cable or myself. The physical layer of these networks has inheirant strengths and weekness. Asking them not to do something to minimize a weekness is poor use of a valuble resource.

I would love the ability to allow everything to everyone Net Netural. My reality is far different.

One size BT does not fit all!

Rob
KSI
Rural Mississippi
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The Cable Companies Want to Bring Back the Pay Per Minute Bills
by Kainchild April 26, 2008 11:03 AM PDT
Ever since the Cable companies who also own phone companies lost to the unlimited usage plans trend have been dying to get that back and since now phones have to go through cable, this new law will be the only way to get this back. The whole charge for fast lane is a ruse.

Once the bill goes through all the finer details that were added to the bill Through pork, etc) will come to light and the phone companies will be able to charge per minute usage of the internet to both you the user and other companies who have to go through their service not only giving them the excuse to raise the bill but also to be able to add an extra charge on how much you use it. Each Cable company gains, and YOU, as the consumer, will lose.
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