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May 19, 2008 3:37 PM PDT

NBC says it inadvertently flagged 'American Gladiators'

Posted by Greg Sandoval
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A week after some users of Vista Media Centers were prevented from recording two NBC Universal shows, the network acknowledged Monday that it inadvertently blocked some people from recording the shows.

The owners of Windows Vista Media Centers were prevented from recording American Gladiators and Medium last Monday. At the message board The Green Button, Vista users gathered to complain about receiving a prompt that informed them that the broadcaster had "prohibited recording of this program."

"We made an inadvertent mistake," an NBC spokeswoman said in an interview with CNET News.com. "We're not aware of any other complaints, and we believe we have addressed the problem."

For a week, fans of digital video recorders wondered if Hollywood was trying to force DVR (digital video recorder) owners to watch commercials. Historically, TV and cable networks have resented DVRs for enabling viewers to jump past ads. The Federal Communications Commission proposed rules that would require electronics manufacturers to set up their technologies to block recording at the request of TV networks.

The courts ruled that the FCC was out of bounds, but there is nothing to stop Microsoft or other electronics makers from choosing to adhere to flags.

The NBC spokeswoman said the network had no intention of blocking the show but declined to specify how the error was made. Flags that have been issued accidentally aren't uncommon, some industry insiders say. While acknowledging that it "fully adheres to flags used by broadcasters," Microsoft said that it was working with content owners to reduce the number of false flags.

"The success of the entire distribution chain is dependent on all involved maintaining the necessary checks and quality control so that coding is correctly applied," a Microsoft spokeswoman wrote in an e-mail to News.com.

Meanwhile, the larger issue for some is that Microsoft and possibly other hardware and software makers will honor broadcast flags.

"Customers need to know who Microsoft is listening to and how that affects their equipment," said Danny O'Brien, a staffer at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an advocacy group for Internet users.

The EFF says it's important for consumers to know whether their DVRs can be controlled by entertainment companies.

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg.
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by rmva May 19, 2008 4:32 PM PDT
A supply of tin foil hats is available for free at the EFF for anyone who wants one.
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by AppleSuxLeo May 19, 2008 4:50 PM PDT
Like I said before...It didn`t block me as my HDTV Wonder card from 2004 was built before the hardware was required to be "broadcast-flag" aware. It`s worth its weight in gold to me.
OTA HDTV is truly amazing...and is free and RECORDABLE and transferable to a DVD with my ATI software. I`m still trying to figure out what suckers would pay for a show on iTunes for a show I already get on cable/DBS. I save and transfer shows all the time to DVD for archival and portability reasons. Like Steve Jobs said...there is one born every second !
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by Imalittleteapot May 20, 2008 4:23 AM PDT
Still trying to figure out what this has to do with your Wonder card, ATI, or Itunes?
by FellowConspirator May 20, 2008 5:15 AM PDT
Why would you get cable/DBS if iTunes was cheaper? It depends on what you watch, and how much. Some people might also find it more convenient (no transcoding). But the point's well-taken, for $100-$200 you can get a decent HDTV tuner for Windows/Linux/Mac that will do what you ask. It's too bad MS screwed its customers by shipping software that enforced the broadcast-flag unnecessarily.
by sanenazok May 20, 2008 8:22 AM PDT
The reason why ATI's card is mentioned is because the "broadcast flag" is enforced at the hardware level. An HDTV card from pre summer 2004 does not support the flag since this idea was added only once the broadcasters complained. ITunes for video is just a sad joke.
by Imalittleteapot May 20, 2008 8:26 PM PDT
sanenazok, it carries over from another article, but that's what I was trying to find out. So what you're saying is Media Center doesn't detect the flag itself it actually uses the hardware on the video card for detection purposes? That's what I'm trying to get at. Does Media Center simply ask the hardware or does it have its own detection routines built into software?
by Galaxy5 May 19, 2008 5:07 PM PDT
We are all so happy for you.
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by Lerianis May 19, 2008 5:29 PM PDT
Inadvertently? Sorry, but you have to put this flag in ON-PURPOSE. There is no 'inadvertently' for something that has to be added into the broadcast.
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by GGGlen May 19, 2008 5:35 PM PDT
Galaxy5?

Fuggittaboud AppleSuxLeo;

The dude has gone off on such an Anti-Apple tangent, he's become somewhat of a freak-show on C-Net.

Poor AppleSuxLeo?

In case you're still living under a rock, Apple isn't the only distributer of digital content on the web.

I know, I know, it makes you sound even sillier when everyone on the internet (aside from you, that is) knows that there are several outlets that resell digital media, so get a clue already? We know you're an Apple hater- Get over it.
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by lord_help_us May 19, 2008 6:05 PM PDT
why the hell would anyone want to tape "American Gladiators"? Western media can't even come up with original bad programming anymore..
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by igl00lgi May 20, 2008 12:14 AM PDT
That is why they tested it on that show. They figured no one would complain because no one in their right mind would be recording it yet alone using Vista Media Center to do so. Or at least anyone that would complain about it.
by dpeters11 May 20, 2008 8:18 AM PDT
Actually American Gladiators isn't that bad, but only if you record it. Last nights episode was 90 minutes, I finished it in less than 20. Skipping Hulk Hogan say Brother 50 million times and watching just the events makes it mildly entertaining. Enough for 15-20 minutes of watching at least.
by Norseman May 19, 2008 6:40 PM PDT
If the flag was set during "American Gladiators", it could be considered a "mercy flagging", couldn't it?
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by igl00lgi May 20, 2008 12:11 AM PDT
I think it could be.
by FellowConspirator May 20, 2008 5:17 AM PDT
It's the. "This is truly awful. As a courtesy, we're instructing your DVR to not bother recording it."
by Melekai May 19, 2008 6:52 PM PDT
When the networks say "we believe we have addressed the problem." does that mean that it will reimburse all of their customers of the "millions of dollars" of loss that they suffered?
P.S I think his name is AppleSuxLeotard.
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by igl00lgi May 20, 2008 12:09 AM PDT
Windows Vista Media Center? You got what you deserve.
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by rcardona2k May 20, 2008 2:38 AM PDT
The WOW of the Broadcast flag starts now.
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by Imalittleteapot May 20, 2008 5:37 AM PDT
You know what I don't get. What was the point of this flag to being with? It would never work. One day everything will be HD right? If everything had the broadcast flag set then nobody would buy recording equipment.

If I went to my friends house to see his cool new DVR and every time they tried to record something it gave an error message then why would I run to the store and buy one? What good is it if I can't record anything? Companies would eventually have to make products that either ignore the flag or simply not make the product at all.

For the content providers this makes sense because they want the technology to be illegal. That's pretty obvious. But for the companies building the recording tech it wouldn't make any sense. Why build something that purposely doesn't work?

Microsoft might be able to get away with it, but that's about all that would, and it isn't even working for MS right now. Regardless of if you like Vista or not, now that we know what we know, I don't see people heading out in droves to buy Vista because of its great Media Center application. That's just one less selling point in my opinion. Why not just save all the development money by not building the program in the first place?

How was this idea ever supposed to actually work in the long run?
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by mikele11111 May 20, 2008 6:14 AM PDT
They say it and you believe them?
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by sanenazok May 20, 2008 8:17 AM PDT
Broadcast Flag
The Broadcast flag technology was added since broadcasters did not want to move to digital TV without some method of controlling recording of premium content. The FCC caved to move the transition to DTV along, since the government wanted the analog spectrum and the broadcasters were complaining too much.

All the same, there are plenty of regs on when the flag can be used. It's supposed to be only for certain types of content and really limited for OTA. I haven't looked at these in a while, but I'm pretty sure NBC violated them by "accidentally" applying it to a regular show. If I cared about this tripe even slightly I would complain to the FCC and let them investigate.
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by ka1axy May 20, 2008 8:31 AM PDT
"Someone" should file a complaint with FCC about NBC's illegal use of the flag.

Given the uproar and subsequent fines over Inadvertent "F-bombs" and "costume malfunctions", it would be interesting to see the FCC's reaction.
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by totocalimero May 20, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
That was not inadvertent. That was done on purpose to test the technology and make sure it will be working when they need it in the future.
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by blueshore May 20, 2008 7:13 PM PDT
If you can live with good old analog video, why to bother with DTV. Just get a DTV converter (with a $40 discount) and a good video capture card, and presto!
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by Imalittleteapot May 20, 2008 8:29 PM PDT
Why bother? If I really wanted it I'd just download it illegally. It's way easier than dealing with all this crap.
by benjaminstraight July 20, 2008 2:04 PM PDT
American Gladiators rocks!
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