March 20, 2008 2:49 PM PDT

Is eBay going to the dogs? Don't bet on it

Earlier today, one of my blogging brethren Don Reisinger laid into eBay, dismissing it as "no more than an outdated, bloated company that lost its way years ago."

Meg Whitman: Goodbye to the old boss

(Credit: Dan Farber/CNET News.com)

Once a Internet company gets a rap for being "uncool" you know the corporate marketing team has taken its eye off the ball. But in this Web 2.0-to-Web 2.5 world of ours, the temptation is to shoot first--and then shoot again and again without asking whether you're even aiming at the right target.

So it is that the piece finishes with the suggestive admonishment that:

"eBay is poised to enter the junk heap of tech if it doesn't do something quickly. It may seem like a company that has longevity written all over it, but trust me, the chances of eBay staying around for too long while maintaining this strategy are slim. Sadly, it'll only take one competitor."

That's harsh but I'm not convinced it's a fair appreciation of what's happening on the ground. No denying eBay has had its issues and the company's also got to prove it didn't waste a ton of dough when it bought Skype. But give management some credit for understanding the risks and challenges it faces.

Meg Whitman's done most of the heavy lifting since she became CEO in 1998. Soon the reigns get handed to John Donahoe, who arrived at eBay three years ago after spending 20 years at Bain & Co., where he finished up as the company's CEO. Hardly a lightweight.

John Donahoe: Meet the new boss

(Credit: eBay)

Skeptics have every right to reserve judgment about Donahoe. But I like what I've seen so far. He's presided over changes that reduce the cost to list items for sale and now sellers get to keep more than they previously retained after sales close.

And since the fee changes went into effect, U.S. listings are up between 10 percent and 15 percent. What's more, Best Match, which eBay launched in early March, is also showing improving conversion rates, probably due to the new relevancy-based search algorithm which recently got rolled out.

I suppose you could make the argument that eBay benefits from a dearth of serious competition. Yahoo Auctions never got traction and was shut down last spring. At this point, the only potentially serious competitor would be Amazon--but so far it remains a work in progress. If you're eBay, that's a pretty enviable position to be in while the company works out the kinks. But let's not confuse that with crisis.

Other tech companies have faced far bigger obstacles. The top three on my all-time list feature:

•  At IBM, John Akers didn't have a clue how to deal with the challenge posed by PC clone makers. His idea? Break the company into Baby Bells. Lou Gerstner put a stop to that once he got the keys to the executive office.

•  Hewlett-Packard found itself in absolute chaos after the Compaq acquisition. Mark Hurd's firm hand cleared up the mess and put an end to the internal corporate strife soon after replacing Carly Fiorina.

•  Apple was seemingly on a death spiral under Gil Amelio in the mid-1990s. The product strategy wasn't working and customers were bailing. Then Steve Jobs engineered The Return and the rest was history.

Those were real crises. With eBay, what we're talking about is a nip and tuck job. So let's keep some perspective.

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by n0xz March 20, 2008 6:31 PM PDT
Not sure if you're ever a seller or buyer on Ebay, because from the article you wrote, your lack of research and insight into the issues is astounding. 1- The "changes" the Ebay added caused substantial increases in cost for all sellers. Up to 67% over previous pricing structure. You just have to join Ebay's Seller Central forum to see the frustrations of the sellers. 2- I don't know where you pulled out the number in increases listings between 10%-15% since the change. But there were a major boycott in Feb and listings went down, or remains closely the same compare to the same period last year. There are a few well documented cases where Ebay artificially inject dummy listings to increase the listings counts. Which they attributed to "errrors" in their system. 3- Lots of major sellers have decided to quit Ebay and move to other sites or building their own, since Ebay is no longer a venue for them. You just have to look at the increases in the number of users alternates sites to see some mass exodus effects. Sellers are desperate and are willing to try some/many alternatives solutions, which didn't happened on this scale before. 4- Major changes including no negative feedback for buyers, best matches, Paypal's 21 days rules, etc have caused major uproars on the sellers side and Ebay has deliberately deleted many of those threads on their forum. They're well documented in many videos on YouTube. 5- Your comparison about Ebay's obstacles is irrelevant. How can you compare a minor change from Meg to someone who has already been there a few years to some of the most drastic and successful change in corporate history ?
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by n0xz March 20, 2008 6:31 PM PDT
Not sure if you're ever a seller or buyer on Ebay, because from the article you wrote, your lack of research and insight into the issues is astounding. 1- The "changes" the Ebay added caused substantial increases in cost for all sellers. Up to 67% over previous pricing structure. You just have to join Ebay's Seller Central forum to see the frustrations of the sellers. 2- I don't know where you pulled out the number in increases listings between 10%-15% since the change. But there were a major boycott in Feb and listings went down, or remains closely the same compare to the same period last year. There are a few well documented cases where Ebay artificially inject dummy listings to increase the listings counts. Which they attributed to "errrors" in their system. 3- Lots of major sellers have decided to quit Ebay and move to other sites or building their own, since Ebay is no longer a venue for them. You just have to look at the increases in the number of users alternates sites to see some mass exodus effects. Sellers are desperate and are willing to try some/many alternatives solutions, which didn't happened on this scale before. 4- Major changes including no negative feedback for buyers, best matches, Paypal's 21 days rules, etc have caused major uproars on the sellers side and Ebay has deliberately deleted many of those threads on their forum. They're well documented in many videos on YouTube. 5- Your comparison about Ebay's obstacles is irrelevant. How can you compare a minor change from Meg to someone who has already been there a few years to some of the most drastic and successful change in corporate history ?
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by Samanthacat0 March 20, 2008 7:52 PM PDT
The great eBay experiment --- As far as I know, this is the first time a major company has managed to offend 99% of its customers all at once. The sellers, the boycotters, the strikers ... the ones making all the noise are eBay customers. Not share-croppers as eBay seems to feel. Just to set the record straight, All auction fees are paid by sellers to eBay. That makes the sellers eBay's customers. eBay seems to have lost sight of that. Think about what would happen if your company offended 99% of your customers, all at once. Apply that thinking to eBay. Watch what happens.
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by TedPax March 20, 2008 8:48 PM PDT
Mr Cooper, Nothing personal, but you obviously did no research before preparing this article. If you would've taken the time to see through the marketing speak, and done the "Final Fee" calculations, you would've clearly seen eBay has lowered the fees on the front end, but increased them on the back end of each transaction. Sellers now pay more to eBay for each item that they sell. The fee structure is only better than the previous one if you do not sell an item, which sort of defeats the purpose of "selling". This is opinion, this is math, plain and simple. Other changes include sellers not being able to leave negative feedback for buyers. While most of my buyers get positive feedback from me, there are always those that try to "work" the system and are simply deadbeats. As both a buyer and seller on eBay for over 11 years, these new rules do not help either. They simply put more money into eBay's pockets. Finally, some sellers, faced with very low final value profits, or just plain greed, inflate shipping prices, since they are not subject to eBay fees. This is not fair to buyers, and I'll be first to complain about this practice. I charge a flat fee of 50 cents over actual costs to cover the cost of new boxes, packing materials and my time, which does have a value. In many cases, especially international shipping, if my estimates are off, I've refunded the extra money back to a buyer. But eBay has gone way to the extreme other side of this issue. Ebay basically wants ebay'ers to act like Amazon and give free shipping. Why not? It increases their traffic to the site and doesn't take any money out of their pockets, but it does take money away from the seller. Ebay has put into place a "grading system" that allows buyers to determine what a "fair" shipping price should be, and they are penalized should they not meet this level. Well, when buyers are used to free shipping from other vendors, then any amount paid for shipping costs will be viewed as unacceptable. That's what sellers are having to deal with. Ebay doesn't realize, for the most part, their sellers don't sell the same kind of goods that Amazon sells. Many sellers sell unique, one-of-a-kind, collectible items, similar to garage sales (a term Mr. Donahoe seems to despise) that buyers won't find at Amazon. Ebay has also forgotten their roots, which are small "mom and pop" sellers that made eBay into what it is today. Instead of promoting this unique marketplace, they now want to establish themselves as an Amazon, or something similar. So please, before you sing the praises of eBay, please try to be objective enough to see all sides of the issue. Thank you, Ted Paxton
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by TedPax March 20, 2008 9:07 PM PDT
Correction: This ISN'T opinion, this is math, plain and simple.
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by alenas March 20, 2008 10:59 PM PDT
Pfff, eBay is the worst site. It is only good for crooks and fraudsters. I lost $1000 - some dodgy Ed Gutierrez from Denver sold me a car and when i went to check the car - it was all misrepresented. So i refused to buy that car and seller never returned my deposit. My bank and eBay just washed their hands off to (just by dragging time while it was too late). And I did buy expensive items in the past - but no more. Screw eBay...craigslist and expo.live.com are my choices now...
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by makesmewonder March 21, 2008 12:19 AM PDT
Wow did ebay pay for this article?
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by Jim_Carty March 21, 2008 4:37 AM PDT
The author of this article is either incompetent, corrupt,or both. Seller do not get to keep more of the money when the sale closes. Yes, the listing fees were slightly decreased but the final value fees were increased, giving e-bay a bigger cut of the selling price. This increases costs for buyers and sellers. And the claim that e-bay listings are up 15% is false. What method did he use to source this claim? The new management team at e-bay is trying to take e-bay from what made it such a huge hit - an online auction site - to a fixed price online mall. They fail to see that the buyers pereception of value, real or imagined, is what makes the e-bay buying experience. The web is full of fixed price, stagnant selling venues. I can only assume that the new management is coming in to make a lot of cash for themselves, while "re-inventing" one of the greatest internet success stories of all time, and moving on.
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by packetscan March 21, 2008 5:50 AM PDT
E bay Went to the dogs long ago.. Their slow and undeniable shift tword a fixed price mall is not what made E bay the power house it once was.
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by greta_speaks March 21, 2008 6:29 AM PDT
i do appreciate the authors slant on this issue, i can't help but feel he drank the kool aid. ebay wants to cleanse themselves of their members and eliminate those who don?t fit managements desired profile. but, in that process they have included members who have made them the successful company they once were. i am not opposed to changes, often times changes are good, however, they have missed the mark on how far they are taking those changes while losing integrity along the way. an example (there are many): most recently, the conflicting stories were given for what has been named ?mystery auction listings? from the Shopping dot com site (sdc). Initial explanation: it was a glitch in the system, next: limited test that ran its course; then: it was an accident; finally they settled on the test excuse. they really think everyone outside their executive offices are stupid and can't see thru the veil. what kind of company operates in that kind of vacuum? nip tuck you say? no, it is a really, really bad face lift. in essence what ebay has done is created opportunities for other companies to emerge who have welcomed buyers and sellers with appreciation and customer service (ebay never had that concept). esty, online auctions, ioffer, overstock to name a few. ebay has spun off their own company to others and will not survive to the level that will be demanded by stockholders and the marketplace. in the meantime...... ~ JOIN THE eBay BOYCOTT ~ Find your State or International Location folder and join us. Be informed! A place to organize. A place to unite. A place to focus. United we stand, Divided we fall. http://forums.delphiforums.com/boycottebay http://www.accknowl.com/ Boycott Victoriously ?..while making noise! Evacuate by May 1, 2008!
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