March 14, 2008 12:25 PM PDT

House votes 213-197 to reject retroactive telecom immunity

The U.S. House of Representatives on Friday narrowly approved an electronic surveillance expansion without immunization for any telecommunications companies that illegally opened their networks to intelligence agencies.

The 213-197 split, with most Democrats voting in favor of the bill (PDF) and most Republicans opposing it, hardly means that the political tussle over retroactive immunity is over. It now shifts to the Senate, where Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat, said he was "encouraged" to see the House vote.

But the primary obstacle remains President Bush, who has threatened a veto. The White House circulated a statement after the vote calling it a "a significant step backward in defending our country against terrorism" that was "not a serious effort to move the legislative process forward."

Another section that the Republicans dislike is this, which I'll excerpt:

ESTABLISHMENT OF COMMISSION.--There is established in the legislative branch a commission to be known as the "Commission on Warrantless Electronic Surveillance Activities"

The Commission shall ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts and circumstances relating to electronic surveillance activities conducted without a warrant between September 11, 2001 and January 17, 2007 (and shall) evaluate the lawfulness of such activities

Especially because the commission would be organized under the legislative branch, and would have subpoena power with the authority to enforce its subpoenas in court, it could result in some embarrassing disclosures about the National Security Agency's surveillance program.

Friday's vote also signals that the political climate has changed since last August, when Republicans outmaneuvered their opponents into voting for surveillance legislation with scant debate or hearings. Democrats acquiesced for fear of being perceived as soft on terror, with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi saying the bill did violence to the U.S. Constitution.

But now, with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both opposing retroactive immunity, with a new Justice Department report critical of FBI surveillance abuses, and with a stronger public perception of the Bush administration as having gone too far, the Democrats are more willing to fight back. Nineteen Democrats released a statement this week saying that they've seen classified documents and no immunity was necessary; an unusual closed session on Thursday was intended to make the same point.

Before the vote, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Sylvestre Reyes (D-Texas), said the measure gives telephone companies the ability to present otherwise-classified evidence, one-on-one with a judge, that could show they deserve such immunity. "If they did nothing wrong, as they have said, then they will be immune from any lawsuit," he said before the vote.

The debate before the vote was contentious, with more hoots and catcalls than usual. The lack of retroactive legal immunity for telephone companies also drew accusations from several Republicans that Democrats were handing out favors to lawyers who would ostensibly profit from the court proceedings moving forward. The bill is "nothing more than an earmark for the trial bar," charged Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)

Republicans also assailed the Democratic leadership for failing to permit an up-or-down vote on the Senate version. They attempted, but failed to push through, a procedural move that would have allowed the House to consider the Senate version of the bill automatically if the House version didn't pass.

Republican leader John Boehner accused Democrats of failing to bring up the Senate bill "because it would pass."

Democrats repeatedly accused the Republicans and the Bush administration of engaging in a smear campaign designed to undermine their bill's passage. "The president has said our legislation will not make Americans safe," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said. "The president is wrong, and I think he knows it."

Some pointed out that telephone companies and other corporations who open their networks lawfully to the government already have "immunity" under law. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) read from that passage of existing law and then proclaimed, "I think the administration is more concerned about their liability than the phone companies."

News.com's Anne Broache contributed to this report.

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When does Boehner's temper tantrum start?
by chris_d March 14, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
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If the Republicans Have Nothing to Hide...
by R. U. Sirius March 14, 2008 2:11 PM PDT
...then they should welcome these investigations. Of course it will be no surprise to many of us if it is revealed that all sorts of illegal crap has been going on the past six years, which is what happens when there is no oversight.
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Nothing to Hide
by spruceman March 14, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
Yep, They are always saying that if the 300,000,000 citizens in the USA have nothing illegal to hide, we shouldnt mind having every minute of our lives under surveillance. So why are Bush and the Telecoms and their supporters in Congress saying they object to judicial or Congressional scrutiny? What's good for the goose. . .
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Telecom Immunity
by Norman Moore March 14, 2008 2:24 PM PDT
If they do not specifically grant immunity there is a horde of torte lawyers waiting for the payoff. Any awards and especially those from "Class Action" suits will wind up in the bank account of those trial lawyers. Their professional associations are major political funders so you can see why Congress is so anxious to deny the immunity.
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Republicans and Telecom
by b36729m March 14, 2008 3:22 PM PDT
If they did nothing wrong why would they need immunity. Basically the way I see it is that the President and republicans know they used the telecoms to do something illegal and are going to use the law to cover up this illegal activity. We need much more transparency in this government. This country is quickly becoming just like those countries that we (Americans) have a history of fighting against to protect people right and privileges.
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House just doesn't get it...
by kwhein March 14, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
The House is probably composed of, or at least supported by, lots of lawyers. These guys / gals are like sharks swimming around looking for fresh meat. The meat they see now is dangling off the bones of Telecoms who responded to a call from our government to help dig out terrorists. Once the danger appears to have passed and everyone is feeling relatively safe, they now circle those who served when called upon to see if they can't find a way to punish them for their service. Liberals are very much like mosquitoes, who come along suck the life-giving substance out of their victim and then escape while often leaving a fatal disease as a payoff for the victim. In this case, the Telecoms and our current leadership have served their purpose and now the bloodsuckers want their pound of flesh. This country is going to implode if we ever allow dems (and their covey of sharks) to assume the helm, ever again.
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"If you don't give me total power.....
by SpiritMatter March 14, 2008 5:20 PM PDT
I cannot protect the nation" The logic used by Bush is the same logic used by Julius Caesar, and which changed Rome from a Roman Republic to the Roman Empire, and by the democratically elected Hitler to justify becoming a self-righteous dictator. Bush and his followers are out to institute a pseudo sharia type false Christian morality into our supposedly religion neutral secular legal system. If Caesar and Hitler had the information and control capabilities that Bush wants to wield such as Real ID etc., their inhuman self-righteous tyrannies would still be ruling the world.
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9/11?
by bstender March 14, 2008 11:25 PM PDT
why is The Commission evaluating electronic surveillance activities conducted without a warrant between September 11, 2001 and January 17, 2007 and not when it started? Is illegal surveillance OK if it happened in the 9 months it ran prior to 9-11? It is so specific and unnecessary whilst being a howler, maybe to set the stage for a whitewash? maybe.this is how the dems get to cave in; stand tough, do an investigation and determine at the end that it was all just a part of the flush of patriotic fervor that, lord knows, any patriot would feel?
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This is why we need Ron Paul President!
by libertyforall1776 March 15, 2008 2:12 AM PDT
Someone who will defend our liberties and the Constitution. Go Ron Paul! http://ronpaul2008.com
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Making us safe?
by perfectblue97 March 15, 2008 6:17 AM PDT
Personally, I'd rather suffer terrorism than suffer a government that could operate with the kind of impunity like the Bush administration is trying to bring in. Terrorists can kill a handful of people but can't harm the US as an entity because it is too big and too strong, whereas an overly powerful and intrusive government can bring down the US way of life from the inside by taking away hard fought for freedoms and liberties. To date no terrorist groups has ever taken away even a single US freedom by force of arms or argument, yet the US government has signed away so very many by means of legislation and law.
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  • Declan McCullagh has covered politics, technology, and Washington, D.C. for over a decade, which has turned him into an iconoclast and a skeptic of anyone who says: "We oughta have a new federal law against this."

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