October 24, 2007 1:03 PM PDT

Piper Jaffray: AT&T paying Apple $18 per iPhone, per month

The exact details of AT&T's revenue-sharing agreement with Apple have not been disclosed, but one analyst thinks that over the two-year life of a user contract, the amount exceeds the actual price of the iPhone.

Silicon Alley Insider spotted a research note from Piper Jaffray's Gene Munster estimating that Apple is receiving $18 per month for each iPhone subscriber, under the revenue-sharing agreement between the two companies. Apple has confirmed that such an agreement exists, but has not shared the details about exactly how much cash it's getting from the revenue AT&T makes on iPhone customers using the carrier's data network. In July, Munster estimated Apple was receiving just $3 per iPhone subscriber and $11 per iPhone customers new to AT&T, but he's rethought the numbers after Apple's latest earnings release.

Munster takes the 1.4 million iPhones that Apple has sold since the device made its debut, and subtracts the 250,000 iPhones that Apple said it believes were bought to unlock from AT&T's network, to calculate that there were 1.15 million revenue-generating iPhones in play during Apple's fourth quarter. He then uses the $118 million that Apple recorded in iPhone-related revenue during the quarter to estimate out how much service revenue Apple took in from its share of AT&T's data charges by subtracting his estimate of hardware revenue generated by the sale of each iPhone, based on the average selling price.

iPhone users on AT&T's data network could be giving Apple as much as $18 a month under their revenue-sharing agreement.

(Credit: CNET Networks)

It's a little tricky because the iPhones that were sold in June and July have obviously been generating revenue for longer than the ones sold in September, but he arrives at a figure of $18 per iPhone subscriber in monthly payments to Apple during the fourth quarter.

That would mean that over the life of a two-year contract, AT&T will pay Apple $432 per iPhone subscriber. Silicon Alley Insider adds the $400 in revenue per iPhone and uses iSuppli's cost estimates to calculate a $565 profit per iPhone over a two-year period. I'm a little wary of those iSuppli numbers myself (they don't really account for things like research and development costs), but the exact number isn't really the point: Apple has a huge incentive to make sure iPhones stay on AT&T's network, even if Munster's numbers aren't perfect.

I sent Munster an e-mail with a few questions, including whether it's fair to assume that the $18 a month figure will remain constant over the two-year contract, but I haven't heard back yet. A reader of Tuesday's iPhone blog made a fair point that Apple still gets revenue from the sale of an unlocked iPhone. But it's leaving quite a bit of money on the table if that phone doesn't run on AT&T's network.

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Q for Piper Jaffray @ CNET
by Seaspray0 October 24, 2007 1:39 PM PDT
Is there a difference in price of service if you subscribe with an iphone or with any other phone? I want to know if this is being passed on to the consumer.
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Leaving money on the table?
by raulmot October 24, 2007 2:03 PM PDT
Is it leaving money on the table if the users were never going to sign up with AT&T in the first place? They received revenue from the sale of a phone that would otherwise have never been sold in most cases. I know several people on T-mobile with iPhones. There was never any thought of going to AT&T if there was no method to unlock it. The thought was always wait for it to be unlocked, then buy it.
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Likely Dependent on Plan
by Microbreak October 24, 2007 2:15 PM PDT
ATT is most likely paying a kick back dependent on the plan that an iPhone user is subscribed to (i.e., ATT pays Apple less for a user at the bottom $59.99 plan than they do for a user at the higher $129.99 plans).
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Anyone want to do business with Apple?
by catch23 October 24, 2007 5:40 PM PDT
I mean they sign a contract stating that the iPhone will be tied to AT&T, which is why AT&T thought it could make money. Then Apple turns around and cuts AT&T's throat, or basically turns a blind eye and allows its customers to, which is the same thing. Who in their right mind would now sign as a business partner a backstabbing ***** like Apple? At least most other companies (like MS) try to honor their commitments.
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not a zero sum game
by rdupuy11 October 24, 2007 8:27 PM PDT
Why do analysts always assume there is a limited number of iPhones. They will make as many iPhones as they can sell. So they are not leaving any money on the table, when an unlocked iPhone is sold. Those phones were only sold because they were unlocked. It didn't take an iPhone out of the hands of a would be AT&T subscriber...apple makes all the phone they need to make, so that they don't run out. Personally, I'm not going to buy an iPhone, because I don't want to give Apple that darn $18 a month, that was supposed to go to me, to subsidize the cost of the phone. Obviously it will be a long time before Apple worries about me, considering how well they are doing so far....maybe they'll get to the cost conscious people someday....but for now, I'll take a pass on apple's cell phone business.
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money left on the table
by rdupuy11 October 24, 2007 8:37 PM PDT
Apple would sell 2 to 3 times the number of phones, if they were unlocked, in my opinion. Talk about leaving money on the table...every customer not made an Apple customer, that would have been an Apple customer (and maybe even a Mac buyer later)...thats money left on the table. Apple can make money on the iPhone, via iTunes, via games downloads, via first party software.... and the iPhone universe is smaller, (probably less than 1/3rd) the size it would have been without the AT&T contract. The unlock phones, helps ...but not much. Most people don't want a 'hack' solution....so Apple has left a lot of money on the table, hoping the AT&T will be more profitable over all. But the unlock phenomena....is clearly going to strongly anti-AT&T people, and is helping recover some of the money, that otherwise, would have been left on the table.
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Unlocked iPhones will be made available in France.
by imacpwr October 24, 2007 9:33 PM PDT
Switzerland's "SonntagsZeitung" reported Sunday (Oct. 20) that iPhones sold in France through Orange would have to comply with consumer's rights laws of France by suppling in addition to the "locked" Orange version an "unlocked" version which would allow cell phone subscribers to use the cell phone provider of their choice. This "Naked iPhone" comes at a price though as it's expected to cost over $1,200.
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Statistical manipulation for fun
by Fireweaver October 25, 2007 8:55 AM PDT
$18 times 24 may be more than the original cost of the iPhone but it's small beans compared to the $100 time 24 that the customer pays for AT&T service. Comparing the contract cost payback to the original cost for the phone is kind of irrelevant. Maybe next someone will tell us about the shocking practice of carriers actually giving away FREE phones just to get you under contract! *GASP*
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Nonsense...
by fredtheviking October 25, 2007 9:37 AM PDT
I doubt that is pricing scheme that AT&T agreed to. AT&T probably just gives a generous bounty on new iphone sales that become subscribers. Then there probably some revenue sharing, but not on the order of $18 a month. I was in the business and cell phone providers would give resellers about $120 to $200 bounty on new subscribers. Most of the bounty was used to discount the phone. For apple to get more than the price of phone in revenue, would be crazy for AT&T to agree to. Seriously, the analyst is simpling looking at the data the wrong way.
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This is ridiculous
by mc001 October 26, 2007 7:02 AM PDT
I expect better analysis than this to be posted on CNET....if you are going to run calcuations backwards to find out fees and payment structures, perhaps you should check with industry analysts first. Geez
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