December 12, 2007 4:00 AM PST

Why do Apple customers care so much?

The question inevitably comes up when I meet people and they learn I write about Apple for a living: "So, what's that like?"

I usually answer, "It's crazy." There perhaps has never been a more interesting time to write about Apple and its growing impact on the computer, telecommunications, and music worlds. Unfortunately, it also means that I have to witness (and sometimes join) a daily descent into a pit of mudslinging.

Their size and degree of organization can be debated, and it's usually overstated. But there is no question that Macintosh users are by far the most passionate advocates for their products in the technology industry. And while such passion is remarkable and even moving, it can also be terribly disturbing.

Take a recent story I wrote, "Problems with the Mac promised land." The story was about how Apple sells the Mac as a computer that "just works" in its ubiquitous ad campaign comparing the Mac and the PC. But the Mac, like anything, is not immune to problems from time to time. Anyone who has followed Apple over the last couple of months knows that Leopard early adopters have run into a few issues, which we covered here and here.

Mac users line up to buy a copy of Mac OS X Leopard in October.

(Credit: Tom Krazit/CNET News.com)

Nothing in the article suggested that Mac users are revolting against Leopard, or that serious Leopard glitches have knocked the Mac user base offline, or anything even close to that effect. The majority of the discussion in the Talkback section, however, descended into the usual Mac vs. PC flame war. In addition to attacking each other, several people took me to task, saying that since they had never had a problem with their Mac or with their Leopard installation, I was clearly manufacturing problems as part of a sinister plan to either attack the Mac and put Apple out of business at the bidding of Microsoft, or through some naked self-interest of both myself and CNET to generate page views.

This happens just about every time I write about Apple. In fairness, that aggressive behavior is not indicative of Mac users as a whole. But that very noisy, hardcore crowd distorts the issues and inflames the discussion, to the point where a rational look at Apple and its products becomes a quest to decide The World's One True Religion, which never seems to work out so well in the real world.

I think the roots of this zealotry go back to a time when Apple was on the ropes financially and someone who worked on a Mac was ridiculed by other computer users. Ten years ago, Mac users in the corporate world were viewed as rubes playing with "toys" not suitable for getting real work done, and there were plenty of people ready to remind the Mac community in not-so-subtle ways that the revolution promised in the 1980s by the original Macintosh was being fulfilled by Microsoft software.

Apple's response was to change the tone of the conversation, and it deliberately chose a spiritual motif for its message with the work started by Guy Kawasaki in the mid-1990s. Kawasaki originally worked at Apple in the mid-1980s in marketing, and was part of the team that introduced the Macintosh to the world before leaving in 1987.

When Kawasaki rejoined Apple in 1995, the company was probably at its lowest point. On his Web site, Kawasaki describes his role at Apple in the mid-1990s by saying, "My job on this tour of duty was to maintain and rejuvenate the Macintosh cult." There was a dedicated group out there who still believed in the Mac and its promise as an alternative to Windows, but they weren't organized, and their morale was low.

In an inteview this week, Kawasaki recalled signing up 44,000 hardcore Mac users in 1995 on a listserv named, quite appropriately, "EvangeList." "All I would do is disseminate good news," Kawasaki said. He wanted his listserv to be a counterpoint to the torrents of bad news about the Mac, exemplified by a 1996 BusinessWeek cover story about Apple titled, "The Fall of an American Icon." For its cover art, the magazine placed an Apple icon in front of a black, funereal background.

Kawasaki's idea was to give Mac users hope, that they were not alone, and that they were on the right side of history. Hope is a powerful thing to someone at the end of their rope, and while that's perhaps overstating it a bit, that's how many Mac users felt in those years.

"It's almost like a religious experience in that you feel like you have to tell everyone you know in an effort to 'save them.' It's crazy, and I never understood those people but now I am one," said Doug Otto, a News.com reader, vice president of systems engineering for Govstar and a Sacramento, Calif., resident.

Some Apple fans will line up in the cold just to be one of the first to enter a new retail store.

(Credit: Caroline McCarthy/CNET News.com)

The trouble is that most people don't like cults; they associate them with Charles Manson or Red Sox fans. Sure, you may believe you have all the answers. But there are a lot of people who automatically tune out the incessant preaching of a zealot. With the rise of the Internet, it became much easier to preach that gospel far and wide and anonymously.

"Like anything people are passionate about--sports, politics, religion--there are going to be some people who are goofy about it and don't have that thing in their brain that tells them they've stepped over the edge from 'fan' to 'fanatic'," said John Moltz, the editor of Crazy Apple Rumors Site and perhaps the best source of comic relief in the Apple universe.

Since it's a two-party world, however, many of those evangelists combined their love for the Mac with their hatred of Microsoft, much like Republicans attack Democrats when Democrats are in charge, only to find themselves on the defensive when the sides switch. Windows users, who had almost forgotten about the Mac, initially laughed at Mac users and their intense love for a plastic cube of electronics. But then, as Apple starting gaining market share and increasing respect for its design chops, they started to fight back.

Last year, Moltz created the "Artie MacStrawman" character as a symbol of those counterattacks on Mac users, as an allegory for the "strawman" theory of debate that intentionally exaggerates an opponent's position to make it look more ridiculous. Many of those who criticize Mac users often come back to the whole "those crazy Apple cult people" thing, in that just because one Apple fan "mindlessly worships Steve Jobs" and "blindly buys anything Apple releases no matter how dumb and stupid and dumb it is," they all do.

But let's be honest: we've all seen that person in action in discussion forums on this site and many others. "Windows users aren't put off by the 'depth of passion' that Mac users have. They are put off by the sheer futility of trying to make a rational argument with someone devoid of rational thought," said Ken Webber, another News.com reader.

This "debate" has been polluting the Internet for more than a decade, but Apple is no longer a company to be laughed at. It's selling more and more Macs to first-time Mac users. College campuses and hipster coffee shops are bastions of backlit Apple logos. Even businesses, long the last line of defense against the encroachment of the Mac, are changing their mind as programs like Boot Camp give Mac users a way to gain access to corporate applications developed for Windows. And as we start doing more and more work over the Internet, rather than on our desktop software, the compatibility issue becomes less and less relevant.

Yet the desire to be separate continues. Hank Stuever of The Washington Post bemoaned the trendy Apple user in a December 9 story about the Apple retail experience. "The demi-privacy of it, the clubby feeling--I know that you know that I know that we know and love Macs like nobody else does--is fading away."

Tuesday morning, I posted a short item to my blog asking for contributions for this story. I received about 50 e-mails in about 50 minutes before I had to plead for a halt. The basic question I sent to those who wrote in was, "Why are Mac users so passionate about Apple?"

The responses were similar. Mac users feel an affinity to both their machines and their fellow users that the rest of the world simply doesn't share. For some, it's the emphasis on design, both in hardware and software. For others, it's the way Apple focuses on applications that make it easier for them to be creative.

Allen Paltrow, 13, shows off his haircut in front of the new Apple store on New York's Fifth Avenue on opening day, May 2006.

(Credit: David Brabyn/Sipa Press)

"It's hard to put my own feelings into words on this, but that's just it: I have feelings for my Apple computer. Not in the creepy obsessive way or anything, but I genuinely love my iBook," said Ryan Spilken, a News.com reader.

Many see Apple's devotion to quality as a symbol of a bygone era for American business, and believe they have to support that kind of thinking. At some point, according to several readers, American industry became so bottom-line obsessed that it gambled that people would probably buy their products anyway if, little by little, they stripped out the costs, which would lower prices but in a fashion that also guaranteed more profit. We've seen this happen time after time in the automobile, consumer electronics, and computer industries, just to name a few, and while it works in the short-term, it doesn't end well.

But still others see the basic Mac vs. PC debate as the computer industry's version of Ford vs. Chevrolet, or Bud vs. Miller, or Michigan vs. Ohio State: people like to identify with groups and subcultures, and they do all sorts of ridiculous things in arbitrary support of whichever group they've chosen.

Computers are no longer a novelty. Style and usefulness count for so much more these days, since people have had a computer and know what they like and what they hate. And no company does style better than Apple.

Now that Apple has momentum on its side, does this finally mean we're nearing a day when we can have a coherent discussion of the pros and cons of Apple's approach to the computing world?

Probably not. After all, the Mac community has all the momentum on its side, and is unlikely to lift its foot off the gas now that more people are starting to come around to its point of view. And Apple hasn't stopped making Mac vs. PC ads.

But here's a challenge: if Mac users care about quality and excellent design, and Windows users are adamant about openness and ubiquity, let's apply those same standards to the discussion of the computer industry.

There are going to be Macs, and there are going to be PCs. This religious argument is very 1995; it's time to move on.

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Advertising
by wolivere December 12, 2007 4:31 AM PST
I personaly do not like advertising that says I am better then B just becuase. It personaly is one of the reasons I have had litle intrest in MAC, its not about performance, Function or stability. Anyone who has been around long enough understands both have there plus's and negatives. For me the reason I do not personaly own a MAC (have not replaced one since 1999) is that advertising. It's that the Add's don't tell me what the OS can do, does not tell me what the features of the OS are, they don't even show me the OS. All they do is try and poke fun at PC's. And reality is most PC users, as well as Mac users know at the core the ad's are misleading and just truly about humor. It reminds me more of Furniture company advertising vs Technology advertsing. I personaly prefer ad's that tell me "What you have" and allow me to make a decision based on perfomance capabiltiy and function. This is something that is missing from the Mac AD's and may be one of the reasons that MAC has not been able to advance there market penetration as fast as there Rival that they keep attacking.
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Maçans
by giant_david December 12, 2007 4:45 AM PST
A friend of mine is a apple fanatic. It is funny to drink a beer with him and provoke him telling that Windows is better than Mac. hehehe. He gets very and seriously angry. So, in the future the wisdom will say "sports, politics, religion .. and Operating Systems" are things you don't discuss ...
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Why do some PC users hate so much?
by McBlayde December 12, 2007 4:46 AM PST
Steve Jobs is evil! All Apple users are fanatics! Anything posted that is positive about Apple must be denigrated at all costs! Much of that "fanaticism" is simply defiance in the face of a lot of hostility from Apple-haters, most of whom have never used a Mac, or maybe tried one during the "bad" Performa years. There are two sides to this coin, but only one side seems to get all the blogage. Why is that?
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Mac vs PC advertising is offensive
by rturner2 December 12, 2007 4:50 AM PST
As a PC user (and an old Mac user) I find the Mac vs PC advertising offensive. Just because I use a PC doesn't make me dumb or stupid as is depicted in the ad. The ads are for Mac fan boys and girls to help them argue in the playground (or on YouTube) (as I did about 13 years ago for the Mac). It is time to grow up Apple. Job's, get over the fact that MS has been more successful than you at the "business that is software". Learn from it, and sell in the ads what makes you better WITHOUT pointing the finger. At the end of the day, this PC user wants to buy a Mac in the near future, so STOP offending me.
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It is about being true
by andris.r December 12, 2007 5:10 AM PST
Yep, it is about giving sincere promises to the consumers and backing them all the time, or put it differently backing your decisions with your very life. Steve Jobs in particular has put his life on the line. It is a very special kind of finality that has huge convincing power. Dramatic, theatrical, larger-than-life, and yet ? True. I believed from the very beginning, and I do now that Apple is honestly earning each of their dollars and contributing to the good of the whole civilization. IMHO Apple is among the very few "things" that Americas have truly good, lifechanging and worth buying. My story is kinda typical. I saw Apple computer first in Dad's workplace, a chemistry lab in 1984. I bought my first Apple II VX in 1992. And I have been with Macs ever since.
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Without competition - no innovation!
by EinRand December 12, 2007 5:18 AM PST
For MacHeads it was never about a pretty exterior, and always centered on ease of use. The difference between two computer games is a good analogy. Ever get pulled in so completely by a game? Thats the effect the MacOS has on many. The ease of use and rational layout have a synergistic effect of putting the user at ease and allowing for greater immersion in whatever task. The outrage or passion boardering upon hysteria stem from feeling like Donald Sutherland in Invaison of the Body Snatcher where the pod people screech at you for not becoming one of them. Competition from Apple in the long run helps Microsoft. If M$ loses market because of Vista, you can bet their next iteration will be better. If the sheeple don't move to greener pastures, how can they expect a better product in the future?
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Good Things vs Crappy Things
by NanoFrog December 12, 2007 5:26 AM PST
Best Regards As a computer design professional I have felt for years that I need both windows and mac machines. That is what I have for many years now, side by side, everyday. I have built my own pc's from scratch. Using them both side by side every day I get work done in peace and general beauty with the mac....trying to do something in the overblown, ugly, useless windows interface is frustrating and there is lots of cursing when I am using windows. I liked Windows 3.1, but since then I have found the process of actually doing a days work between the two platforms that with the mac everything goes smoothly, with the windows, nothing, not even the most simple task, goes as smoothly. I plug things into my mac and they are ready to go. I plug something new into a pc and I have to get updated drives, deal with system crashes, calls to rechnical support services and lots of web pages to get everything working. I have a couple of very old macs that still do a days work when needed. An old pc is just a piece of high tech trash. I have tried to be fair with appreciating both platforms but on a day by day, side by side work basis there is no question which system performs the most quickly, efficiently and smoothly. For me it is a simple matter of what tools do the work best, and that has always been the mac. Having said that, I do not believe Jobs has shown nearly as much care and attention in the new Intel macs as he could have and should have. I have an expensive Macbook pro 17 inch laptop that makes me crazy with its problems, crashes and a multitude of other problems with the finder, super drive stops working and so forth. I think that first model, the Core Duo, is one of the most poorly made products Apple ever produced, and they quickly moved on to the Core 2 Duo. The same thing happened with the first G3 mini- tower, which was very faulty, and Apple moved on to the next model very quickly leaving mini-tower owners in the dust. They did the same thing with the Macbook pro Core Duo, so Apple has recently shown a complete indifference to its loyal customers by such behavior and I think that this indifference is going to grow as Apple really seems to be the iPod company more than a computer company to me in these days. This is my feeling at the moment. William.
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Not Just About Computers...
by Hoodgrown_Magazine December 12, 2007 5:27 AM PST
Seems the majority of the comments here seem to focus on the age old Mac vs. PC debate which has been around forever... and will unlikely continue until the end of time... But as the title suggests where not talking about just Mac computers. The ipod and iphone have brought a ton of new zealots into the Apple fold that never use Mac's at all. My wife loves her iphone and ipods but she hates the Mac Os and won't touch it. Windows is the end all for her. Some of try to write it off simply as advertising and the like.. but thats not it either. There's something about Apple products that people just like. Something about them that spur the imagination. Sure there are products with more features than the iPod and iphones... but Apple has always been good at showing companies WHERE THEY CAN GO... and then others run with it. 1. The first iMac - first mass produced computer with USB ports and no scsi connections. Also to not have a floppy disc and came in a ton of colors. Soon everyone followed suite getting rid of the floppy drive, adding USB.. and adding color. During that time period... how many OTHER products had Apple inspired colors (though I'm glad that's over)? 2. Apple introduced the iPod. I remember reading on CNET when it first launched that it "was a nice product but nothing that's gonna change the world". By were they wrong. Yes there were MP3 players before the iPod.. but the where either big and clunky or a pain in the butt. To use. Apple came out with a product that just worked and now everyone's making mp3 players. 3. itunes store came at a time when nobody could figure out how to correctly sell digital music. Sure there were digital music stores before the iTunes store but they were really crappy. Apple was also the first to get the major labels aboard. 4. The iphone. The way it works the touch screen, etc. The iphone made the previous cellphone hit, the Rzar, seem like nothing. Now everybody's racing to get their touch screen smart phones out. The thing is that yes there are competing products with more features than Apple's but it's easy to come out with a product and add more features AFTER being shown the way. Why didn't the Zune come out before the iPod? Why didn't the Voyager come out before the iPhone? Why didn't Amazon do a digital store before iTunes? Where is the innovative thinking at these companies? Why do they seem to wait for someone else to come out with something before having to play catch up? Apple latched on the the fact that majority of the buying public likes "sexy" products that just work while all the geeks are worried about where just "features".
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Emotional Connection
by Sac Tinko December 12, 2007 5:50 AM PST
Since 1984, Apple's products and ad campaigns all pull on emotions. It's never about how much faster you can do a spreadsheet, it's about cataloging your life.
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Question to Stephen Jobs
by Jamie_Foster December 12, 2007 5:54 AM PST
If I buy a corporate Computer from the likes of Fujitsu, Lenovo, HP, Toshiba etc then a three year warranty is the norm. A one year warranty is the norm for a consumer orientated computer which all of these Manufacturers produce in addition to Sony. So why is it that if I was to buy a Mac Pro or a Macbook Pro I only get an insulting one year warranty as standard. Yes I known all about Applecare, but I feel that your corporate policy is out of line and taking the **** out of your existing customers and potential customer. People forget that most Computers are still bought by Businesses and the Governments. So Philip Schiller as boss of Marketing don't you think I have a point. And wouldn't this help you break into HP and Dell corporate accounts in the long term. Mac OSX has some superb technologies and Apple produces some very cool hardware designs. But the warranty policy on your higher end is an insult.
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