May 6, 2008 10:51 AM PDT

Another Mac clone maker spotted on eBay

Another boring desktop for sale on eBay, except that this one runs Apple's Mac OS X Leopard.

(Credit: Chris555 (via eBay))

Another entrepreneur is trying their hand at selling unsanctioned Mac OS X desktops.

AppleInsider spotted an eBay listing on Tuesday for a generic desktop tower running Mac OS X Leopard, weeks after Psystar made a very public show of defying Apple's licensing agreement for Leopard with its Open Computer. "Chris555" is selling the unbranded desktop for a fixed price of $549.99, plus $50 shipping and handling.

Is this the latest in a wave of Mac clone makers emboldened by Psystar? Apple has remained silent on the issue to this point, but lawyers think the company would have a good chance of enforcing its end-user licensing agreement against companies trying to make a profit on Mac OS X computers. The agreement says the operating system can only be installed on a single Apple-labeled computer.

Apple has left the OS X hacking community pretty much undisturbed, but it will be interesting to see how long it waits before taking action against commercial providers of its operating system.

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by BlackMicro May 6, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
Why should Apple respond? These are lousy PC's. People will soon realize you get what you pay for and not purchase them. No way to update, no Apple support, these are not for normal consumers. You geeks know better... build your own. I'm not sure what market there is for these? Apple should let it ride. The market will correct it self.
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would be silly for apple
by Arrgster May 6, 2008 12:12 PM PDT
Apple making an issue of it would be like MS making a issue out of people putting windows on white boxes. MS is the monster it is today because of clones and if apple takes a lesson from history by letting their os grow.. well so much for MS monopoly.. I know Apple is a "hardware" company but perhaps it's time for them to be both.
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Update will break it
by fokkwp May 6, 2008 12:17 PM PDT
Apple will first try to release an update that will break the clones. The clone makers most likely will not issue a patch. That should pretty much wrap it up. And anyway, until the cloners make a load of money there won't be enough for Apple to sue for. Any way you look at it, Apple needs to let the situation ripen a bit. Unless, of course, Apple is secretly doing for Mac OS what General Mills does for Cheerio O's: sell a cheap competitor under a generic brand so they can own two markets.
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They are not clones
by Thomas, David May 6, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
A clone would include all the capabilities of a similar system. - Bluetooth won't work? It's not a clone - WiFi won't work? It's not a clone - Sync won't work right? It's not a clone When hardware, and an operating system are designed to work together, and they don't tell you exactly what those things are, or what future addresses or ports are for, OF COURSE an update may not work on a hand-built computer! Calling this an intentional bricking in advance is dumb, and ignores the previous experiences of those of us who had Apple sanctioned clones. The previous manufacturers (of that time) decided to do a few things outside the guidelines to get instant performance gains over existing Macs, guess what, all of a sudden there were support problems. The first few changes were simple and had no effect, but that emboldened the clone makers to take more chances, and they had hoped Apple would cave, and begin changing their OS design to suit them. It did NOT happen, just the opposite, it was shut down. These so-called clones are great hobby machines, but anyone who wanted to could build their own. The truly bad thing here is they are being sold, with the idea, that they are actual consumer computers that will run OSX the way it's intended. They don't from the get go, because they are NOT clones.
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by Travis Ernst May 6, 2008 10:12 PM PDT
All the buyer has to do is purchase a copy of system. Same as Mac users had to do that wished to partition their drives and install Windblows so they could duel boot and choose on bootup what OS to go into. We don't have to run the programs in a "shell" to run windows programs, thus it's faster. You can buy a 5 or 10 user license for system; however I don't recall Apple having a "home" license to install on multi systems from the same DVD. Site licenses are more for offices and COSTLY. In most cases we don't have to worry with it being installed on Apples machines already, and only needing upgrades (auto update).
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by danielszabo1981 May 7, 2008 9:53 AM PDT
perceived problem will be short-lived. box will be bricked after one patch. if people REALLy wanted to do some good for the mac community, they'd create mac compatible vid-cards and drivers for the sealed up imacs. get me an 8800gtx 512er or 1gigger that works in an imac, and i'll buy it today.
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by jkeels May 7, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
Well, this is interesting. First of all Apple makes great hardware. The only problem is the tremendous price premium for it. I think a middle road here would be nice. For instance, Apple could consider allowing Dell, Gateway, Sony, HP to build and sell Apple Certified hardware. However, in order to be certified it would have to fit within apple's strict guidelines to avoid compatability and support issues. If the company's ventured far enough away to cause problems then the Apple certification would be pulled out from under them. This way the experience would be virtually as good as on a real Apple computer. Now, will Apple do this? Probably not unless they start losing a significant portion of hardware sales to these low end clone guys. THEN they might consider it. I think it would be a good thing and would help make an Apple OS X compliant system affordable for more people. For one thing, Apple's hardware sales would be reduced (though not eliminated) and they would be able to sell more copies of OS X which might actually result in increased profits. They would definitely be a greater competitor to Microsoft at that point.
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by Thomas, David May 7, 2008 4:04 PM PDT
For those who actually think, running the OS at less than what it does, on hardware that has less in what it does as well, still consider these clones ... you are in dire need of an education. Since you probably won't even look up the definition of a clone, I will paste it here for you. verb [http:// trans. |http:// trans. ] propagate (an organism or cell) as a clone : of the hundreds of new plants cloned, the best ones are selected. ? make an identical copy of. ? Biochemistry replicate (a fragment of DNA placed in an organism) so that there is enough to analyze or use in protein production. ? illegally copy the security codes from (a mobile phone) to one or more others as a way of obtaining free calls. The one you should be interested in is "identical copy".
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by Wolfie2k5 May 7, 2008 6:04 PM PDT
Tis a moot point... Clicking on the link leads to a dead link.
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by arocon May 7, 2008 10:48 PM PDT
I would not consider myself a close follower of the PC vs. Mac dynamic, so I think this offers me a little more objectivity. I own both apple and pc systems. One of the most glaring observations I can make is that while OSX has its benefits its not infallible. Its not so much that I am a huge fan of XP or vista, far from it, but it seems that the only people who are passionate enough to praise their computer or it's operating system are mac owners. These are the people who identify with the apple brand, see themselves as part of some 'mac' culture, and ultimately believe that using a mac in some way defines them as a person. There is really only one word to describe people who exalt the apple brand to anyone who will listen. That word is pathetic. My computer or its operating system no more to defines me as a person than the brand of toilet paper i use, or the type of underwear i buy. I believe both of these things, like your choice of computer, should certainly be used, but not discussed in casual conversation. After a day at work, I don't want to have to listen to a someone at the gym spout off about Apple's superiority and why everyone should switch to Mac because 'Microsoft is evil.' People capable of using any computer should be able to separate the hype generated by the brand's marketing from what they are really buying....a tool to make their lives easier. Apple would be Microsoft if they could. They are a for profit company doing everything possible to make money, gain a larger market share, and with that, an increase in power and influence. In many ways apple is a more dangerous entity than Microsoft. They are more vertically integrated, maintaining a monopoly over software, hardware, repair services and solid control over personal audio and video devices, and the media content . Having just this past year branched into telecom. And this finally brings me close to the initial impetus for writing. If the OSX is, as so many people are willing to scream from the nearest hilltop, a superior product to anything else on the market, why wouldn't Apple license it to run on other machines. I can understand that they want it to run on a system with a basic level of performance, for the customer to receive the full OSX experience, but most computers today are capable of doing this. The decision on which an OS is used should be an option afforded to the customer. The only explanation for this reluctance is that Apple is generating so much revenue from overcharging, not only for computer hardware that, in and of itself is non-competitive, but also for AppleCare, and the excessive number of accessories pushed by the brand. The ability to maintain the massive amount of revenue generated from these sources is solely granted by their stranglehold on OSX. At some point, the public will become wise to this paradigm, and become irritated by it. When that day comes Apple will, undoubtedly bow to public pressure and release either a watered down version of OSX for non-Apple machines, or license a legitimate version it to a couple of PC manufacturers as jkeels alluded to; with some sort of certification. I think the production of these machines may ultimately prove to be a positive thing if it results in Apple loosening restrictions on OSX. Doing this would save me the headaches that result from people who know very little about computers preaching the superiority of Apple in a nearly evangelical way and doing it as apple pulls the wool further over their eyes. By the way, if it is of any interest, and it shouldn't be, I wrote this commentary from my MacbookPro.
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