April 30, 2008 11:58 AM PDT

Adobe guru to improve Windows interface

It looks like Mark Hamburg, an Adobe Systems Photoshop and Lightroom programming guru, will be leading work to give Microsoft Windows a better user interface.

And given the dramatic user interface differences between earlier and later Adobe projects that Hamburg worked on, that raises some very intriguing possibilities.

Adobe Photoshop Lightroom is used to edit and catalog photos, chiefly the raw images that come from higher-end digital cameras. Compare its design, deliberately imbued with 'personality' and 'elegance,' to that of Photoshop below.

(Credit: Adobe Systems)

Microsoft and Adobe Systems confirmed Hamburg's move on Monday, but at the time, Microsoft wouldn't share details beyond saying Hamburg would work on "user experience" for the company. However, Chicago photographer and Photoshop consultant Jeff Schewe, who caught a plane to California to attend Hamburg's going-away party, shared a lot more on his blog.

"He was heavily recruited by Microsoft and given an unbeatable opportunity to work outside his normal digital imaging field," Schewe said. "Mark was invited by (Microsoft Chief Technology Officer) David Vaskevitch to come lead a team working on the future of operating system user experience at Microsoft."

Adobe Photoshop's interface has well over a decade's worth of accumulated menus, panels, and dialog boxes.

Adobe Photoshop's interface has well over a decade's worth of accumulated menus, panels, and dialog boxes.

(Credit: James Martin/CNET Networks)

Schewe also quoted Hamburg about the change: "Given that I find the current Windows experience really annoying and yet I keep having to deal with it, this opportunity was a little too interesting to turn down. I can't imagine doing serious imaging anywhere other than Adobe, but I needed to do something other than imaging for a while."

Hamburg's baby: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom
So what does Hamburg's move portend? It's way too soon to say Microsoft will be better able to counter the widespread opinion that Apple's Mac OS X is superior, but Hamburg's Adobe work sheds some light on the new possibilities.

Hamburg joined Adobe to work on version 2.0 of Photoshop in 1990. After Photoshop 7 was released, he turned his attention to lead Shadowland, the project that became Photoshop Lightroom. That software, which is used to edit and catalog photos, is a major break from Photoshop when it comes to user interface.

Where Photoshop has a seemingly endless list of menus, submenus, dialog boxes, and configurable panels, Lightroom adapts to the task at hand.

Central is the photo in the middle, as large as possible. Adjustment panes can be pulled out from all four sides based on various tasks. The software shifts appearance according to modes for managing catalogs, developing an individual photo, showing slideshows, printing, and creating photo galleries for the Web.

Overhauling user interfaces can be tough, though. Short-term pain caused by unfamiliarity can challenge the long-term benefits of a clean-slate design.

Adobe is proceeding cautiously with a Photoshop interface overhaul. And Microsoft has had trouble with its "ribbon," which presents a task-based interface across the top of Microsoft Office 2007 programs. It's been tough for many users to adjust to the ribbon, and Microsoft is trying ways to make it easier to find the commands they want to perform.

Hamburg's goals: "elegance," "personality"
Some possibilities can be gleaned from Hamburg himself. He discussed some of his Lightroom design goals in a 2007 blog posting.

"We wanted Lightroom to seem elegant, to exhibit grace, to show an attention to style beyond the utilitarian aspect that dominated Adobe's products up to that time. We wanted a richer UI experience," Hamburg said.

And Adobe wanted to give Lightroom a deliberate personality--even if that means some feathers are ruffled.

"One of the goals in Lightroom was to consciously think about the product personality we were trying to create with the expectation that a less accidental personality would induce a stronger emotional reaction in users. That stronger reaction can be both positive and negative," he said. "The second part of this goal was to have enough passionate users to outweigh the detractors."

Finally, he said Adobe wanted to balance power and complexity, adding the latter only when it significantly increased the former.

Designing a user interface for a product with as limited a range of abilities as Lightroom is a very different task than a user interface for an entire operating system, though. But even if Windows doesn't directly copy Lightroom, for example, by changing its look to suit the task at hand, I for one would welcome a version of Windows with elegance, personality, and power.

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Good grief
by y82whs April 30, 2008 1:02 PM PDT
1. Much as I like the functionality of Adobe products, I sure wouldn't tout their UI, including Lightshop. They are powerful but complex tools. I have never heard "Adobe" and "intuitive interface" in a sentence.... 2. Vaskevitch as far as I know has never designed a UI (he was hired into MSFT in their sales/marketing group). He later worked in databases. Good luck, future OSs!
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Anybody outside Microsoft
by AppleRocks1963 April 30, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
will be an improvement.
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Great...
by Heebee Jeebies April 30, 2008 1:57 PM PDT
Just take a look at the poor Lightroom interface it is a decade behind what it should be. You can't rearrange panels, close out the panels you don't want or ever use. Second or third monitor support even in beta 2 is a joke. Yah, we need this guy making windows "better". At this rate I am going to be willing to shell out the big bucks for a Mac just to get away from Microsoft's one big joke after another Windows updates. Robert
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Evolution? ok. Mere new chrome? No.
by punterjoe April 30, 2008 2:00 PM PDT
Not to come off as reactionary, but we all know of UI "upgrades" that destroyed productivity. Sexy, sleek & cool is fine for fashion, but unless it's elegance is in service to function it is at best useless and quite likely counterproductive. That's one of the things I like about Gnu/Linux/FreeBSD - I can make the UI as fugly ...and useful.... as I choose. MS wisely did that with the XP "classic" UI. I hope they remember that lesson.
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"Personality"?
by siriusproductions April 30, 2008 2:50 PM PDT
What the UI needs to be is unobtrusive and as close to invisible as possible. It should be more than merely intuitive, although that would be a good start. It should be as unobtrusive as using everyday objects, such as a light switch, a doorknob, a steering wheel and gas pedal, and a teapot. How much attention do we pay to the light switch when turning the lights on or off? Can you describe your bathroom's doorknob? I bet you pay no attention to it as you use it. The same with your car's steering wheel and gas pedal. Without looking, describe the pedal: is it hinged from the top or bottom, or not hinged at all? What about the teapot? You just *use* it, right? The design of all of those things is unobtrusive and close to invisible, whether it was superbly, ergonomically designed or cobbled together by an engineer instead of a designer. Instead of giving Windows "elegance" (and someone explain, really explain -- in English -- exactly how a user interface would be "elegant" to use rather than "elegant" to look at) or (heaven help us!) a "personality", I hope the former Adobe guru has the good sense to make it as unobtrusive and natural to use as possible. If that has to be labelled "intuitive", OK, I'll begrudge him that, but the most important part of "user interface" is the first syllable. It's supposed to be *used*. Let the hackers and geeks endlessly debate whether a button is one pixel too big and whether a its corner's radius is too small, but the vast majority of computers users actually *use* their computer. We don't want a "user experience" and we don't want it to have a personality. We *use* the computer to do things with, such as write a report, work on a spreadsheet, process an image, etc. Once a mechanic has a good wrench, he doesn't agonize endlessly over its "personality". He just uses the damned thing. In a movie, if the acting, or cinematography, or editing are superb, no one notices them, but if any of those are poorly done, it's extremely obvious. Instead of noticing every cut and fade, they should combine so unobtrusively that we don't notice any of them and only see the finished excellent movie. The Windows UI should be that kind of invisible. So far, it's like Uncle Bob's stack of Super-8 movies from his last vacation: kind-of/sort-of spliced together, but with some of the over-exposed and out-of-focus bits left in and the image on the screen jumps every time a bad splice goes through the projector. The problem with letting computer nerds design computers and user interfaces is that they're computer nerds. They design it for other computer nerds. If ever an outsider needed to be brought into the process, it's when the UI is designed. However, I'm quite sure that the next version of Windows will have some new kind of razzle-dazzle distractions that will be described as "features" and whose major purpose is to scream "look at me" and "my designer is a god". Jeff
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Lots of luck! (it's more than the interface)
by technewsjunkie April 30, 2008 4:25 PM PDT
A monumental task.
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Lightroom interface
by derpat April 30, 2008 5:07 PM PDT
It seems to me that the "elegance" of the Lightroom interface (introduce in 2006) is curiously very correlated with the elegance of Aperture interface (2005). Microsoft should hire someone from 1 inifinite loop ...
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Givign Windows Personality
by Starfires April 30, 2008 5:12 PM PDT
Windows is just too generic-looking compared to the types of software you can run on it. Lightroom is a good example of an interface that inspires and takes you places rather than seeinging functional. Of course, Windows has improved and Vista (visually) is the best yet. Of course, I should add that this was written on a Macbook, which gives me this all in spades. The only thing I miss is a right click...
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Improve ??????
by dbadd May 1, 2008 4:04 AM PDT
If you call using fonts that are to dim to read and improvement then there is something wrong with your way of thinking. Maybe now that Adobe is rid of him they will change literoom and elements6 to something more readable and useable
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Oh No
by R. U. Sirius May 1, 2008 11:06 AM PDT
I have a bunch of Adobe products, but the strength of their stuff is not in the UI. I'm not sure what MS is thinking, but Adobe seems to have some of the worst UI's out there, even worse than Office. As for Lightroom, meh, it's a derivation on Aperture, which is a derivation on file browsers, which of course have been around a long while.
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