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December 3, 2007 8:28 PM PST

Microsoft: Vista piracy rate is half that of XP

Microsoft said Monday that it's seeing piracy rates for Windows Vista that are half those of Windows XP.

Now cynical me wanted to write this up as "even pirates prefer XP two to one over Vista," but that wouldn't be fair. In reality, the decline in piracy rates is largely due to the fact that Vista is much tougher to counterfeit than XP.

"Piracy rates are lower because it's harder," Microsoft Vice President Mike Sievert said in an interview Monday.

There are a variety of reasons for that, including the fact that businesses no longer have volume license keys that can be used to activate an unlimited number of machines. Another is the fact that Vista machines that aren't properly activated pretty quickly become basically unusable once they enter "reduced functionality mode."

For Microsoft, the gains have been significant. In its last earnings call, Microsoft said that five percentage points of Windows growth could be attributed to gains in piracy.

Interestingly, though, Microsoft makes the experience a little less harsh for those running pirated versions of Vista. With Service Pack 1, Microsoft is doing away with reduced functionality mode in favor of putting prominent notifications on systems that are not found to be genuine.

Non-genuine systems with SP1 will display a warning at start-up that the system is not properly activated. Users will have the option to "activate now" or "activate later," though the second option won't show up for a time. Users will also have their desktop background changed to white and a prominent notification placed in the lower right hand corner saying that the machine is not genuine.

Still, in a significant change, those with non-genuine or non-activated copies of Vista will still be able to use their systems. Sievert said the change is designed to minimize the impact on customers who might unwittingly have gotten an illegitimate copy of Vista while still discouraging piracy.

"People won't want this experience," he said. "At the same time it will be broadly interpreted as being more fair."

Still, I wonder if the move won't cause Vista piracy rates to trend back up. I would think there are people who will deal with a copy of Vista they don't pay for but that has a big ugly notification on it. With the current Vista, they don't even have that option.

Also with SP1, Microsoft is closing two key loopholes that pirates have used to evade Microsoft's security measures. One involves mimicking the process used by large computer makers to preactivate their Vista machines, while the other extends the grace period that customers have to activate their machine, in some cases extending it for decades. It's not the first time that Microsoft has moved to close holes in its activation process. A year ago, the company changed Vista to disable a hack known as "Frankenbuild" that merged elements of the final Vista with a prerelease version.

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LOL
by smokeonit December 3, 2007 9:18 PM PST
becauese nobody wants vista....!!!!

only the poor souls in offices are stuc with windows...

people that have a choice turn to osX.... vista is the downfall of
microsoft...
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Vista doesn't deserve piracy!
by shekharc December 3, 2007 9:23 PM PST
Whatever you say but this is a fact. Why should anyone put any effort to knock down something as crappy as Vista?!! However, M$oft can console itself that Vista is not getting pirated that much.

If a product deserve piracy, it will be broken up..no matter how difficult it is going to be. One of the perfect examples is those well-spread keys for HD-DVD and Blue-ray disks.
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Is it hard to be a constant MS defender?
by The_Decider December 3, 2007 9:31 PM PST
Who would want Vista, at any price?

Besides, how does MS know piracy rates to any precision?

Vista is garbage and all that "anti-piracy" BS does is treats its customers like criminals and makes them less secure thanks to backdoors that MS put in that steaming pile of maggot ridden feces.
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You can't even give Vista away
by iBuzz December 3, 2007 9:43 PM PST
Ha! The reason the piracy rate is down is because nobody wants
Vista. In fact, I can see people getting stuck with Vista installed
on a new computer and then looking for pirated copies of XP to
install over it. Has anyone checked those numbers? I wouldn't
be surprised if Vista has actually caused the XP piracy rate to go
up! When you bought a computer in the past, you used to get an
OS that worked. Now you have to find a copy of XP to install.
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Well said.
by Wookiee-1138 December 3, 2007 9:57 PM PST
Bugger vista
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Half because...
by AppleRocks1963 December 3, 2007 10:00 PM PST
Nobody freakin' wants it!
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vista sucks
by piotr102x December 3, 2007 10:05 PM PST
the reason its half that of XP is becouse VIsta palin sucks, you got to have a $5000 pc so it can run good.
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i bought a vista system and changed it to xp
by definitivecorp December 3, 2007 10:08 PM PST
who the hell would ever in their right mind want that garbage OS on their computer???!!! i sure as hell didn't so if people that get it for free with a new system delete it and throw away the cd who the hell is gonna pirate it?? thats like punishing your self lol. haha 'VISTA' what a good joke microsoft.
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Too Funny!
by ogman December 3, 2007 10:16 PM PST
Okay, first of all, Vista was pirated in a week. It is still readily available. 'Nuf said.

But c'mon, who wants it? This is set to be the most removed OS in history. SP1 better be good or even the pirates won't be able to give it away.
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Vista Piracy is half of XP - Of Course
by cmsix December 3, 2007 10:43 PM PST
It's a wonder to me it's even that much. No one even wants to steal Vista. That's a little like stealing a dog turd off someone's lawn.

cmsix
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Wow Great Idea!
by renaldo45 December 3, 2007 10:49 PM PST
Here's what we do, see. We tell the consumers who have brain damage and wil believe anything that Vista got lots less pirates and stuff and the morons will buy it, thinkin' it's, like, less piratey, more secure! Then, Ka-Boom! We'll be millionaires, I tell ya!
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Good riddance Reduced Functionality
by mcugaedu December 3, 2007 10:53 PM PST
Reduced Functionality Mode was a cyberterrorism opportunity. All an enemy would have to do is corrupt someone at Microsoft, tamper with the central database, and make all the Vista machines in the world stop working. Now that won't be quite so easy to do.
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Long Live XP - Vista slayer!
by rcardona2k December 3, 2007 11:39 PM PST
The latest numbers show XP at 78% and Vista at 9% just more than OS X + Linux.

Long live XP - slayer of Vista.

80 million units shipped and trashed
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lower price now that piracy is lower?
by maeckg December 3, 2007 11:54 PM PST
MS could now lower the price since piracy is not as much of an issue. This would also make it more attactive to buy instead of pirating.
One awful downside of Vista are the different versions. One has to deal with no scanner app in Home Premium and no mce in Business edition so the only real solution is Ulitmate. MS could boost sales by just simplifing the versions and letting users upgrade to more features through an online service. Basic should be a simplified, but very fast and very low resource version that would offer better security and usablility for older PCs. For a company that is more about marketing than technology, it is a surprising failure.
By the way; I was quite satisfied with the beta and have had good experiences with the final Ultimate version. More and more sw and hw is working, but I have been through this before with several versions of Windows, so do not expect all the drivers to be available immediately and some new sw versions necessary.
Disappointed about the file system and some of the networking, but they also has some improvements as well. Eye candy is nice and sometimes useful, but I built a machine to run Vista so not an issue. Beta ran OK on a 3 year old 1ghz Pentium with a 750MB of RAM. For businesses, it will take some time to validate the OS for all apps, but more and more new hw and sw will no longer run on 98 or W2K, so get used to Vista guys.
Ubuntu is proving that Linux can be a usable system, but again a lot of hw is not easily supported through no fault of Linux, but the manufacturers. Still not so easy for most users though. Steve Jobs is not ready to let his OS run on just any PC hw: it would destroy the "just works" illusion since most of the system issues of Windows can be traced back to very diverse and poor drivers and bad sw.
MS should be more restrictive on which hw gets compatibility label to encourage better quality.
Note to Balmer: A better, more secure and stable OS would also sell better.
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Funny
by Andronicus December 4, 2007 12:07 AM PST
Two comments

Everyone I knwo that is pirating OSs is pirating XP.

Vista is rather difficult to pirat. I appears that you need a fake MS server for the OS to check in with every six months. I guess untill someone acctualy cracks it...
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Its piracy is low because Pirates don't care
by Ilgaz December 4, 2007 4:08 AM PST
For a pirate, the XP or Vista does NOT matter. As he/she is not
paying, he can download XP and Vista and choose whatever
suits the computer best.

For current time, it seems they don't want to install Vista
because of problems. Nothing to brag about. MS should keep
this data to themselves. They are giving reason to say "Vista,
the OS even pirates don't care about".
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You couldnt give me vista
by Jamesmeredith2 December 4, 2007 4:41 AM PST
You couldnt give me vista, I have three vista home basic 32-bit OEM disks laying here by my computer. The people that I purchased the computers for wanted windows XP on thier computers so I wiped vista and installed XP. Piracy is lower on vista because no one wants it, it is crap. Did you ever hear of the pirates of the sea attacking fishing boats? what would be the purpose, only if they wanted to stink.
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Yeah
by Lindy01 December 4, 2007 4:49 AM PST
and Vista has sold more copies than all OS X ever. I seen OS X machines everywhere....NOT.
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The real reason...
by Kings X Rocks! December 4, 2007 4:50 AM PST
IMHO, the real reason there are so many anti-vista postings is that they can't get a pirated copy as easily as they could get xp and that makes them mad.

I especially like the technically oriented "vista is crap" comments. It really does make me wonder why I've enjoyed using it in a corp AD environment for 6 months so far.

It's just a freaking OS...they all have their pros and cons.
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I bet XP piracy has gone up...
by derrick_madrid December 4, 2007 5:46 AM PST
... and keeps ging strong. This article is too funny... ! :)
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