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December 13, 2007 4:00 AM PST

Author sounds off on Vista's annoyances

After beta testing Windows 95, David Karp was impressed with how much better the operating system was than Windows 3.1. Still, he had a gripe or two.

To share his experiences, Karp started a Web site called "Windows 95 Annoyances" where he posted some of the pet peeves, as well as some workarounds.

What began as a hobby to make his work computer better, eventually became his work. Karp has written nearly a dozen books chronicling the annoyances of each Windows release.

Vista annoyances

Needless to say, Vista has given Karp another book's worth of material--664 pages worth, in fact. Windows Vista Annoyances is fresh off the press. Karp took a few minutes to chat about the year-old operating system. Below is an edited transcript.

You also wrote a book or two on "XP annoyances." Did you have more or fewer things to write about with Vista?
Karp: Vista was a little bit of a change of pace for me. I've written Annoyances books going back to 1996. Windows Vista posed a little bit more of a problem for me, or I should say a challenge? It wasn't that it had more annoyances or fewer annoyances. The issues with Vista were more complex. With earlier versions of Windows, you had simple things like programs crashing and features not working.

The problems in Vista are tricky and, with a book like mine, I don't just write about problems. I only write about problems that I can solve or at least that I can work around. The ones in Vista took a little bit more time and a little more creativity to solve.

For example, there's a problem a lot of people have with Vista and that's what's affectionately been coined the "green ribbon of death." It's the little green progress bar that goes across the top of Windows Explorer and sometimes it just seems to linger there and everything stops working. That little green ribbon is the symptom of a lot of problems and they are all quite different. There's one having to do with codecs for video files and there is one that has to do with security when copying files over a network.

A fair number of people have been annoyed by Vista. What's on the top of your list?
Karp: The thing that ticks me off most about Vista is probably a minor quibble to most people. But it hits me every day. There is a feature--it's kind of convoluted--that allows Windows Explorer to show folders containing different items in different ways. For example, if you look at a folder full of photos or videos, you see thumbnails. If you look at a folder full of MP3s, you'll see a detailed list of artist names and track titles and track numbers. Basically, Windows Explorer is designed to automatically show you a different view for different types of files to show you the relevant information. The problem is it gets it right infrequently. It gets it wrong most of the time. It will show pictures as music files. It should be something that's so simple, I think that's part of why I am annoyed by it.

When you talk to other people about Vista, what do you hear most often?
Karp: There's kind of two camps when you are talking to people who use Vista. There's the "I can't believe I upgraded to Vista; how do I get back to XP?" What's funny about that to me is that I pretty much heard exactly the same thing when XP came out six years ago: "Oh my God, I hate XP. How do I get back to Windows 98?" What I think whenever I hear that kind of a comment is, "Yeah, I get it, it's frustrating to use and a lot of the things don't work, but the previous version wasn't any better, you're just used to it. You are used to all of the problems. You know how to get around all the quirks."

In the other camp are the people who use Vista and aren't looking for a way to downgrade. They recognize the things that it does well, and they also recognize the things it doesn't do well.

Everybody sees that Vista has shortcomings. It's kind of divided on how severe those shortcomings appear. Some people are just willing to throw it away and say, "Hey, give me the older version." Other people notice the shortcomings and see them, but feel they can live with them.

My book is written toward both camps. To be honest, I very rarely talk to anyone who loves Vista and is just enamored with the whole experience, which is really a shame. You talk to any Mac fan and they just love every single product that Apple throws at them.

It's not that the Mac is any better than Windows, it's just that people like it better. Windows users don't have any problem seeing the faults of their platform, which I respect. One of the reasons that I wrote this book is the book helps fix the problems.

You don't just note annoying things. You also offer tips on workarounds. What are some of the best things people can do to improve their Vista experience?
Karp: The first thing that I felt like fixing when I was playing with Vista...is the search tool. Microsoft has gone to great lengths to promote this new search tool. At the top of every Windows Explorer window, there's a little search box. You type something into the search box and right away you get all the matching files in the current folder and subfolders. The problem is that it doesn't work very well. Often the searches are out of date. You can be looking at a folder full of JPEG files and in the search box say, "Show me all the JPEG files" and it will show you nothing. Other times it will just take a long time to show search results. The search is something that I use quite a bit. It's how I find my stuff.

The good thing is there are several things you can do to improve searches, like indexing more locations. You can tell the search tool where to index. By default it only indexes files in your documents folder. It doesn't index files anywhere else, for example, your desktop. There are some really easy ways to go into the search tool and add new places to be indexed and remove places you don't need, so your searches can be faster.

Another thing you can do to speed up and improve searches is to remove Vista's built-in support for ZIP files. Vista supports Zip files out of the box. Removing that does require a registry hack. Once you get rid of it, you can install another program to handle zip files which has the added benefit of doing a better job. By removing the ZIP (support), it speeds up searches.

How did you get into the business of writing about annoyances?
Karp: In 1995, I was a beta tester for Windows 95. Being the geek that I am, I wanted to play with it and I wanted to see what I could do with that. Windows 95, which had plenty of its own problems, was just such a huge leap. Microsoft has done nothing like it since. There were so many things right off the bat that were so obviously done wrong...some of which still don't work in Vista today.

Features like those were things I was interested in fixing. This was going to be my computer. This was something I was going to use for my business, and I wanted it to work better. I wanted it to be faster. I wanted it to not crash so often.

I started a silly little Web site called Windows 95 Annoyances and started listing some of the problems I had found and some of the corresponding solutions. Some of the problems didn't have solutions. Almost immediately other people started writing in. A few months later, an editor at O'Reilly saw this page. He said, "Hey, how would you like to put this into a book?" I said, "OK." It's been about a dozen books, and here we are at Windows Vista.

Do you think Microsoft will keep you busy full time, or will you have to move on to Mac or Linux annoyances?
Karp: I never seem to run out of material. There always seems to be something to write about. It isn't just annoying little problems you can fix. I write about different ways to hack the system, how to change the start-up logo and the shut-down logo. No matter what Microsoft does, there are always going to be a lot of things that drive people nuts. Look how many people want to go back to Windows XP. That software was written in 2001.

I don't see any danger in running out of annoyances. There actually is a Linux annoyances book. I didn't write it. I don't think a Mac annoyances book would ever sell because Mac people don't find their computers annoying. Whether they are or not is a different matter.

What's next for you?
Karp: Some rest. I put a lot of time into this book. There's a book I've been wanting to write on eBay, a strategy guide. Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is coming out in a few months, so expect to see a second edition of my book.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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Annoyances, eh?
by Ian Kirkland December 13, 2007 5:15 AM PST
You said: "It's not that the Mac is any better than Windows, it's just
that people like it better."
That statement is contradictory and in the contradiction is why Mac
people don't find their computers annoying. Mac OS X is actually
better.
Since OS X 10.5 came out, the most annoying thing to people is the
design of the dock. LOL!
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Kind of funny...
by jdawgnoonan December 13, 2007 5:28 AM PST
"It's not that the Mac is any better than Windows, it's just that
people like it better." Have you ever used Mac OS? I agree with the
other responder who stated that the only problem with Leopard is
the new Dock. Vista is incredibly convoluted. It takes more clicks
to accomplish most tasks. They have tried so hard to "Dumb
Down" Windows that they really need to throw in an option to turn
those features off so that you can efficiently work.
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Windows Fanatics
by Mikeatle December 13, 2007 5:49 AM PST
I love his subtle swat at Mac users. Apparently we love everything
Apple "throws at us" and we are incapable of acknowledging flaws.
Well, excuse me for being an Apple fan. I work with both platforms
almost everyday, and I will take the Apple OS anytime over the
Windows OS. Nevertheless, I am perfectly capable of acknowledging
flaws in the Apple system. There are just so few compared to Vista.
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Any new
by AppleRocks1963 December 13, 2007 7:51 AM PST
Microsoft OS will give this guy employment for life.
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ownership
by Graylodge December 13, 2007 8:12 AM PST
I have been using Vista (Ultimate) since the first beta and have found only one real annoyance that I couldn't get around. Driver issues were easily resolved. The search function was easily fixed. The codec problem was simple. The sole remaining "annoyance" - and one I have been unable to solve - is the damn "drive-by" updates and reboots. I run backups every night. The loss of even a single day's data could be catastrophic for me. Those backups need to be done late at night, since there are several terabytes on the drives and even if only a few hundred gig actually get backed up in an incremental backup the entire drive array has to be scanned for changes. Microsoft's habit of randomly downloading updates requiring a reboot to my machine and then rebooting it automatically kills my backup every time. It is pointless to turn off the automatic updates, since Live OneCare just turns them back on. Uninstalling OneCare and using another product (Norton 360) was supposed to fix that, but didn't. Scheduling backups on the second Tuesday of every month for an earlier or later time - which should have fixed the problem - also failed. This month they decided to skip Tuesday and nail me on Wednesday instead. Another backup shot... Mac's OsX is no better - I need hardware it won't support - ever! But if M$ doesn't figure a way for people like me to disable the automatic reboot, at the very least - and do it very soon - I will most assuredly be looking at the Linux options. I own this machine. Microsoft doesn't. I have both the need and the right to be able to control when the damn thing shuts down and turns on again, and at $400 a pop for the OS, I should damn sure be getting that need met.
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Microsoft Vista Ultimate Crap Edition - Too many annoyances
by slickuser December 13, 2007 8:19 AM PST
Annoyances? No! The right word would be "bugs".

1. Drivers for HP 4215 don't work on vista. I tried many times
2. Nero 7 wouldn't install. Even the update wouldn't install
3. DVD drive would just disappear. To get it back, I would have to tweak the registry!!
4. Bluetooth issues
5. Try any shareware for XP. They would crash most of the time unless you change the freaking compatability settings. How would Joe blow would know such a thing?

The list is goes on and on. And, this is all on a nice standard IBM T60 notebook!!!
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yes u can
by Chameleon81 December 13, 2007 9:49 AM PST
if you spend same amount money on a windows machine you will do much more.
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I <3 Vista, major warts and all
by jimmymist December 13, 2007 10:07 AM PST
Not to be contrarian, but I personally love Vista. Its sleek, seems to have better security standards and, for the most part, seems to flow better with what I use it for. The automatic updates are annoying, but I was always bad about install new updates anyway. I really like the increased secuirty standards for installation of new programs, should help for people who deal with trjans and downloaders alot. And as for the driver issue.. that has been a BIG complaint of mine. But let me put it this way- don't all new OS have major issues at first? Seriously, Vista haters seem to be picking on Microsoft just because Microsoft is, in fact, the Number One that other computer companies are judged by. And, no, I do NOT work for Microsoft.
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Vista is annoying
by ParallaxRebel December 13, 2007 10:38 AM PST
but at least you can turn most of Vista's annoyances off.

I couldn't do that with Mac OSX Leopard 10.5, I had to downgrade back to Mac OSX Tiger 10.4 in order to prevent data loss and system crashes.
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Read the article again !!
by csg7 December 13, 2007 11:39 AM PST
Rather than annoyance, they should have called it the 101 quick fix book. I am not sure which other OS fixes these on itself. User has to make changes, like for speaker or codec settings.
The new Leapord OS has its own set of issues. I own and Mac and use PC at work.
Mac has the upper hand but to project Vista has horrible and latest Leapord as perfect is wrong.

The author clearly says ....

"It's not that the Mac is any better than Windows, it's just that people like it better."
"I don't think a Mac annoyances book would ever sell because Mac people don't find their computers annoying. Whether they are or not is a different matter. "
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PROs and CONs
by close5828 December 13, 2007 11:50 AM PST
Windows

Pros: A lot of people use it
Cons: A lot of people use it

Mac

Pros: Fewer people use it
Cons: Fewer people use it
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I use vista
by thedreaming December 13, 2007 12:41 PM PST
It does this thing which drives me nuts and I've yet to find a fix for it. Everything will be just fine then bang, the thumbnails for the videos stop updating and nothing I do fixes it. What's the point of having the function if vista can't use it well? It works perfectly with ubuntu, why not vista?
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Have been using since day 1 with no problems
by ferretboy88 December 13, 2007 5:39 PM PST
I really enjoy using Vista. I have not had any problems at all. When ever I go back and use my windows xp hard drive in the same pc I get errors and it is so annoying.
I HAVE A MAC ANNOYANCE. NONE OF MY BUSINESS SOFTWARE OR GAMES WILL RUN ON A MAC. Sure I could load windows on a mac but then its not a mac. Running the top pc games on a mac with windows is not the same as with a custom made pc. My scientific software for college will not run on a mac.
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Interesting points.
by Vegaman_Dan December 13, 2007 5:55 PM PST
Keep in mind that this author is paid to find things wrong with Windows, and when you go out with a negative view, you're going to find your experience a negative one.

That said, the points he brings up are interesting and apply to many OS's. I appreciate the way he brought it up in a fairly open manner. He's not bashing MS, just noting things he would like to change.

I expect that the rest of the comments in the thread here are all Apple/Windows/Linux flamefest type. Haven't looked yet, but that is what happens if any article is negative about any of those OS's.
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I gave up on Vista and now back to XP
by RGMbrain December 13, 2007 6:14 PM PST
Tired of getting updates once or twice per day....so called Dell to forward the XP software....first they wanted to charge a fee....all you do is indicate has crazy vista is and it is mail to you....

Vista was a bigger mess than i ever thought they would put out.
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Ya know, if I didn't have a...
by wtortorici December 13, 2007 6:27 PM PST
life i'd have read all 50+ comments, cause it's more amusing than watching a 3 stooges movie.

Thank goodness we don't all like the same thing. Otherwise we'd still be using DOS 2.0 and Apple OS.

As long as there is competition, we'll all get better products.

Have a happy holiday season.
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I love David Karps books, but...
by Gayle Edwards December 13, 2007 11:13 PM PST
First, let me say that we consider every one of David Karps "Annoyances" books to be a MUST-HAVE, for our companys technical library. And, I really appreciate his opinions.

But...

I think that Davids assessment of the resistance to "Vista", is not entirely accurate. We have been supporting MS-software since "DOS 3". And, we were beta-testers of both, "XP", and "Vista". So, we really do not have an aversion to the, inevitable, learning-curve, and "incompatibilities" associated with any new OS. However, a general dislike of "change" is hardly what we are seeing as the major obstacle people accepting "Vista". Nor, is the overwhelming rejection of "Vista", truly comparable to the initial, negative, consumer-inertia that "XP" experienced.

"Windows 95" -was- a substantial improvement over "Windows 3.x", but it did have many problems. It was, just that, those "problems" were easily outweighed by the benefits that "Windows 95" offered to the consumer. "Windows 98" was "Windows 95" with about a thousand bug-fixes... making it a very valuable upgrade. "Windows ME" (the last iteration of the 9x-platform), although it did acceptably well in the marketplace, was a failure from a "valuable upgrade", and reliability, perspective. "ME" was clearly a kluged-together, overly-ambitious, final-evolution of an, obviously, aged system.

And, there certainly was some resistance to "XP" when it was first released. There were the complaints against the "Fisher-Price look" (which I have gotten use to, but still, in truth, dislike). There were the initial "incompatibilities and increased system-requirements" (which became less of an issue as the product gained acceptance). And, there was a great deal of animosity towards "Product Activation". In hind-sight, we also now know what a "security" disaster "XP" has been, but, all in all, the move to the "NT" code-base (and the stability, and greater power that it presented) did offer significant advantages over the "9x" platform, generally making "XP" a very worthwhile product (especially when compared to "Windows-ME").

However, "Vistas" market-issues are being caused by much more than a simple aversion to change, or an irrational knee-jerk reaction to some of Microsofts latest marketing-strategies. "Vista" (the last iteration of the older "NT" code-base) is very much, another, "Windows-ME" (obviously poised at the end of one platform-era, prior to a newer, and possibly much better, alternative).

To start out, "Vista" (like "ME") simply was not ready for release. It was, and still is, full of bugs. It does have many incompatibility, and driver, issues. "Vista" also feels -kludgy- in its "new" interfaces, methodologies, and overly resource-intensive integrated-features". The user-interface, simply confuses (and in some cases, overly-complicates) use (without recognizable gain, or apparent justification). And, Microsofts heavy-handed control-tactics (WGA, DRM, software-signing, etc.) are simply infuriating the vast majority of consumers. And, frankly, "Vistas" much vaunted "greater security" has simply not truly manifested itself (it has already been compromised, and shown itself to be vulnerable to some of the same security-exploits as its parent, "XP). And then, there are the issues of versioning and, relatively-high, cost. For these reasons, "Vista" simply does not provide sufficient value to warrant a change. This is why "Vista" has, so obviously, flopped in the marketplace... and why, almost everybody in the IT-field has proclaimed "Vista" to, basically, be a failure.

Even Microsoft, internally (along with much of the computer-industry), seems to now be tacitly admitting that "Vista" is merely a temporary (and somewhat-flawed) product. And that, I believe, is the real reason most people appear to have decided that they dont want it, and have chosen to simply give it a miss, altogether.
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Beware of Vista search and of course Vista isn't a happy place to be!
by kjhishere December 14, 2007 9:01 AM PST
Beware of the following in this article on Vista search:
You don't just note annoying things. You also offer tips on workarounds. What are some of the best things people can do to improve their Vista experience?
Karp: The first thing that I felt like fixing when I was playing with Vista...is the search tool.

The recommendations in the article do not note anything about the impact of indexing more locations. Vista search is brutal the larger the index gets. It doesn't take much for your machine to turn into an Vista search index bot ... spending all it's time trying to keep this index up to date. This, combined with how slow it is (in some cases dozens of times slower than XP) made me turn back to XP to become productive again.

I work in the software industry and was trying to use Vista at work ... but it was just way too slow. File handling seemed to be one of the major hang ups ... even after Microsoft made available a patch for file handling performance (which you have to contact them directly for instead of through Microsoft Update).

Like when XP first was released, many early adopters of Vista are learning why it's called the bleeding edge. If you want to remaind productive ... always wait to move until SP1 ... or SP2 is released. By then, Microsoft has usually gotten things to a point where they are usable, reliable and perform decently. Before then, look out.
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Vista trumps Linux every time
by tbonehandshake December 14, 2007 9:10 AM PST
Vista is user friendly to the extreme when performing a menial task such as adding an audio card, wireless card, or connecting to a LAN--try making the same change in Linux and you'll spend hours navigating arcane commands in a terminal, troubleshooting compatibility, etc. Vista has been slick from the getgo for my Business installation. Karpa is a tard.
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This person should save time
by The_Decider December 14, 2007 9:04 PM PST
And write about what is good with Vista.

That only takes about 5 seconds.
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