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January 11, 2008 10:12 AM PST

OneCare upgrade brings headaches

Since November, Microsoft has been slowly rolling out an update to its Windows Live OneCare security software. Although the update was designed to bring in new features, such as the ability to monitor the health of multiple PCs, some say the new version has brought only headaches.

Robert Webb of North Carolina said he started having problems from the moment his software was upgraded in early December.

"My main problem has been that OneCare does not always start when the computer is booted," Webb said in an e-mail interview. "It has to be manually started."

Microsoft's online forums are buzzing with a host of complaints about the new version, with many people unable to get the software to work.

Microsoft confirmed that it is working on that problem.

"We are aware that some users are experiencing an issue with Windows Live OneCare when they start up the service after installing (version) 2.0," Microsoft said in a statement to CNET News.com. "The issue is being worked on and currently affects a very limited number of customers (about 1 percent of the install base), each of whom we thank for their patience."

In an interview Thursday, Microsoft lead product manager Larry Brennan said that, in total, the problems aren't causing a significant disparity compared with users' experience with the older version.

"We do monitor the overall status of the service," he said. "We can see that the servicing statistics for 2.0 are comparable to the servicing statistics for (version) 1.6."

Brennan touted the new features, such as automated printer sharing and centralized backup, as key improvements and said that with any upgrade, there are bound too be some people who have problems. Brennan said Microsoft is about halfway through migrating OneCare users to version 2.0 and that the company is continuing to automatically upgrade customers, despite the complaints.

OneCare, which was introduced in May 2006, is Microsoft's first entry in the consumer antivirus software business and competes with consumer software from Symantec, McAfee, and others.

Stephen Boots, the Microsoft Most Valued Professional who moderates the OneCare forum, has been trying to address many of the issues online, but has been suggesting those with other issues contact Microsoft's customer care.

"There were too many problems with the v2 upgrade and too many remain now," Boots wrote in a post on Friday.

For Webb, the problems have shifted his OneCare experience from positive to negative.

"I liked OneCare before these problems appeared because it was hassle free and not a resource hog," said Webb, who has been using the program for a year and a half and renewed his paid subscription last July.

Update: A Microsoft representative said on Friday that the company is planning to push out an update to version 2.0 on January 31 that it hopes will fix many of the problems that users have been encountering.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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one care live updates
by RBOTS January 11, 2008 11:18 AM PST
1% Ya Right!!! I have had problems with one care for a while. More on wednesday update with must reboot popup would not go away. Start up and adding more computers to same account problems also in the past. It use to work but now ?
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Not enough testing for a security program
by suntzuwu January 11, 2008 12:42 PM PST
Microsoft's statement that an update will be released on January 31 just proves that 2.0 shouldn't have been released until January 31.

The claim that "one percent of the install base" are having problems needs clarifying. The update was halted for quite a while until a few days ago. Is this one percent of people that have received the update or one percent of the total OneCare customer base including those that are still running the old version? What percentage have been updated to 2.0?
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The Upgrades are a mess time 10 to the 100th power
by RGMbrain January 11, 2008 1:29 PM PST
Microsoft is doing upgrades to this new Vista security almost daily....and then...you are hit with a trigger that will restart your computer in the middle of whatever you are doing and waste about 5 minutes to upgrade and re-load...

The are missing the boat on this one....bigger problems than we can all imagine
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New M$ anti crash product
by giant_david January 11, 2008 2:20 PM PST
Soon Ms users will need an extra anti-crash product, similar to the anti-virus or whatever this 1care is.

Shouldn't the OS provide a safe environment by itself?
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I stopped Using OneCare
by SteveinIowa January 11, 2008 2:58 PM PST
I purchased OneCare over a year ago. Almost monthly or more often, I would have to run the repair tool, go through steps starting and stopping things or just uninstalling it, then re-installing it. A big pain. It only got worse with the upgrade. I like the fact the one year cost covers 3 PCs, but the constant maintenance was a pain.

I am the Technical Support Division Manager for an ISP in NW Iowa and if I have had these problems, I really feel sorry for the folks who are not computer literate and have to deal with these issues.

I tested Microsoft One Care and it didn't work for me. I went back to my old trusted anti-virus AVG by Grisoft. I now use Genie-soft to back up my files and I use the firewall that came with Windows XP. No issues. No system hogging. Come on, Microsoft! You basically invented the PC...can't you make software that will work with it?
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Windows Live One Care
by jlstelling January 11, 2008 4:12 PM PST
I switched several months ago to One Care and Love it. My older computer has XP and a new one with Vista Home Premium. No problems at all.
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DOT Zero releases should NEVER be installed
by gman450 January 11, 2008 5:13 PM PST
There will always be software updates for all software companies. Always wait for the .10 release.
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OneCare Upgrade, Delightful
by emancipated January 11, 2008 5:51 PM PST
The upgrade is delightful. There are no issues on the PC's in this household. This house has a cable modem with a wired and wireless LAN, multiple printers, ... I like the new Wireless LAN function. Thank you Live / OneCare.

I feel badly for the people where the installation was less than perfect.
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One Care
by SW1911 January 12, 2008 2:59 AM PST
I have been using one care now for a bit over a year on 3 PC's and have had no problems with it, except for once and that was during the upgrade which was due to my own actions, which required me to use their fix to correct the problem, I have been running it on XP and Vista and have not had a problem.
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I Gave Up On Onecare
by cross platform January 12, 2008 7:00 AM PST
When I upgraded to Windows Vista from XP I had some issues. So I called MS and after hours on the phone I got everything straightened out except for Onecare. The tech asked me if I was going to uninstall Onecare during the installation. I asked " Can I just turn it off? " because I had previous problems with Onecare that took a long time to get straightened out. He said yes. Afterward it didn't work and he said I should have uninstalled it since Vista uses a different version. I wish he had told me that in the begining because nothing we did could get it to turn on correctly. In the end I got rid of it since the tech then said the solution was to wipe my drive clean and reinstall everything! Well since everything else works alright I gave up and went back to Norton for my virus protection. Onecare is great when it works but I've found that it very easy to get into a situation where it doesn't. The problem I had before was that it just stopped updating. And I had to call a tech to correct the problem. Now I ask myself should antivirus software be so difficult to work with?
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So far so good
by kmne68 January 12, 2008 10:36 AM PST
I haven't had problems with my upgrade. My computer is about three years old. I used McAffee before. It ate up too many resources and they nickel and dimed me for total protection. And there were the occasional incompatibilities with other software. So far none of that has been an issue with OneCare.
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onecare tested in beta & used in rtm
by i_made_this January 12, 2008 11:22 AM PST
During testing, the firewall and anti-virus showed promise, the anti-spyware was next to useless and the backup function was useful for the home and home office user. They never seemed to quite figure out how they'd differentiate anti-spyware versus defender but it didn't really matter because this function didn't work anyway. Frequently, we felt it seemed so quiet that it wasn't even working, and upon checking discovered it wasn't running in fact. Even tho the happy green icon was smiling in the task bar. Well, we continued playing with it for an extra six months for free trying to get to work after it was released. Nothing changed. We ditched it in favor of AVG at home and Kaspersky at the office. These are both pretty good products and cheap at the price. You don't need to pay for AVG anti-virus and anti-spyware if you're using them for personal use and ditto for Zone Alarm firewall. Even free, onecare wouldn't be a competitive product.
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STOP BEING IDIOTS AND SWITCH TO A MAC!
by internetworld7 January 13, 2008 1:28 PM PST
STOP BEING IDIOTS AND SWITCH TO A MAC!
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Security and the Home User
by mpmacal January 13, 2008 4:23 PM PST
I am deliberately over-simplifying... but here goes.
1. Most home users need automation. They will not schedule or remember to implement security tasks. Kids get on to chat, Dad logs onto the bank, Mom checks movie times. Security is no one's job, and will not get done.
2. Automation assumes some specific parameters... networking, OS settings, BIOS settings, Software Versions - All which get more complex every day.
3. Security software has the worst of all worlds - selectively recognizing and halting harmful operations that mimic SAFE operations.

Here is where Microsoft blew it.... They implemented automation that few people ever use. By example, smart tags and community editing of Office documents created its share of security holes. When is the last time YOUR team gang edited a document using the latest Office automation? Yet the services, ports and Office tools that make this all possible are routinely hi-jacked by illicit scripts.
Secondly, MS blew it big time with Vista. Aero is a waste of resources (Like I need my OS to look and run like a video game. What 24 year old made that decision!) Each feature that was added to this "new" OS, is a potential a tool for hackers. This more secure OS is no more secure than a properly protected computer running XP. (AND IT RUNS SLOWER!)
Solution?
MS should focus on making Windows robust. WinFS, a good tool for registering services, and limiting features to "request only".

Example: The only way a service can be started is when the user requests the tool the first time. They only way the service can be requested is through a GUI (which will take some work because most Gui's are scriptable). That alone will greatly limit the types of attacks to which the average home user can fall victim.
Example: Instead of having to turn user info in Document files OFF - the user should have to turn it ON. - AND - this feature should not be scriptable.

I believe that Live One Care has fallen victim to the complexity of security management, but I would rather have MS solve the root cause of the problem - vulnerability from poorly controlled features, poor memory management (oops... another buffer overflow?), than more attempts at containing the problem through more complex software traps.

I can dream, can't I?
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The best you can hope for if caught in a protection racket
by The_Decider January 13, 2008 9:12 PM PST
Is headaches.

MS caused the problem. Relying on them for the answer is the height is ignorance.
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No problems here.
by tomaras January 14, 2008 9:32 AM PST
Have been running One Care since beta and now have it on my Vista Box, XP Laptop, aging parent's Vista box with no issues. Other extended family members are running it with no issues. Just talked a friend with a lagging Vista laptop into uninstalling two anti spyware apps and McCaffe and replacing with One Care. Reports his computer is running much better now.
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Use Open Source Software Solutions
by taggartromkey January 14, 2008 10:03 AM PST
I hate to sound like a MS hater but all of their new products like Vista and OneCare are down right shoddy. I'm glad i ditched OneCare for Clamwin on my XP desktop box i use for web design work. Clamwin found 6 viruses that OneCare couldn't see. However Clamwin isn't perfect. You have to scan your machine manually but trust me it's worth it.

There are Operating Systems like Linux and Mac OS X out there that are impervious to viruses. I use PCLinuxOS on my laptop which take to school and so far no problems.
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