April 26, 2008 9:15 AM PDT

PC makers find ways to extend XP's life

Facing a June 30 deadline to stop selling PCs with Windows XP, the world's largest computer makers are getting creative.

Taking advantage of the "downgrade rights" offered as part of the Windows Vista license agreement, Hewlett-Packard and Dell both plan to offer machines loaded with XP well beyond June.

Technically, the computers will be Vista Business or Vista Ultimate machines that have been factory downgraded to XP at the customer's request. In practice, they are more like XP machines that come with an already paid-for upgrade to Vista when and if the customer chooses to do so.

HP said it plans to continue selling the "pre-downgraded" desktops, notebooks, and workstations to its business customers until July 30, 2009. Dell is already pitching the same option on its Web site and promising the models will stick around long after it stops taking standard XP orders on June 18. Other computer makers tell CNET News.com they are still exploring what to do but also want to sell XP beyond June 30.

There are limits to the approach being taken by HP and Dell. Only the Business and Ultimate flavors of Vista come with downgrade rights, meaning consumer machines can't be sold in a similar fashion.

While companies can offer pre-downgraded machines via their Web site, things get a little more complicated when it comes to buying a PC at retail stores. It may be possible for customers to buy such a machine, but just how this will work--and if stores will offer such an option--is not totally clear. The tricky issue is that, to stay within Microsoft's terms, the customer has to somehow "request" the XP downgrade.

All of this prompts the real question: Why won't Microsoft just extend the deadline? The company's rationale that customers and computer makers aren't demanding a longer life for XP seems to be increasingly implausible.

Kevin Kutz, a director in Microsoft's Windows unit, said that the downgrade-rights option meets customer needs.

"While (computer makers) continue to see large numbers of customers making the transition to Windows Vista, there are some pockets--like small business--that need a little more time," Kutz said in a statement. "And from what we've heard from our partners, the downgrade rights option fulfills that need."

The pre-downgraded PC option is just the latest way that PC makers have responded to stronger-than-expected demand. After shifting largely to Vista after its January 2007 mainstream launch, Dell and others quickly began adding more XP options in response to customer requests.

For some time now, computer makers have been selling machines with an XP recovery disc as a downgrade option.

Lenovo, for example, plans to keep offering an XP recovery disc with some Vista models through January 2009, according to InformationWeek.

The latest twist is the machines, like the ones HP and Dell will sell beyond June 30, that have Vista rights but contain XP pre-installed.

As for whether a broader reprieve might yet come for XP, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has left the door open a crack.

"XP will hit an end-of-life," Ballmer said in Belgium recently, according to Reuters. "We have announced one. If customer feedback varies, we can always wake up smarter, but right now, we have a plan for end-of-life for new XP shipments."

CNET News.com's Erica Ogg contributed to this report.

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But
by The_Decider April 26, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
What about all the MS shills and apologists here saying there is no demand for XP? Why doesn't Dell or HP know about this?
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Heh - I say MSFT should stop it cold.
by Penguinisto April 26, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
c'mon - let's watch the PC industry take a monster hit and see how MSFT spins Vista's failures after that... /P
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I don't care to Vista!
by guest86 April 26, 2008 10:18 AM PDT
Good bye to Vista. I stick to XP for 50 years or more. Because XP have solid core than Vista. Vista is slooooooooow! I did tried touch Vista on any laptop at Staples, Office Depot, etc. No way to buy Vista. Vista is full of junk! People told that. I got it. Windows Vista is also same as Windows ME!! What for???!!! Crash in blue or black screen again, again. Forget it, Vista. Good idea - we can no longer support to Vista right now. XP is winner war against Vista. XP have secret to unlock to speed up and more stable than Vista. Remember Halo 2 is only for Vista? It work on Windows XP!!! I am very glad to hear from people said that! Vista is lend to failure and lose. XP is lend to winner and successful toward in the future! I hope Windows 7 must be same as XP! Don't lie to us, Microsoft!!! If Microsoft(MS) lie, we will throw/trash newer Operating System away. People can be complaint on MS too!
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Shameful
by perfectblue97 April 26, 2008 10:21 AM PDT
I think that the way that Microsoft is behaving is utterly shameful. First it ties users into OEM agreements that mean that their PAID FOR copy of XP dies with their PC and can't be from an old PC to a new PC, then they say that you can't buy XP at all after a certain date. XP is the best choice for my needs and the upgrades required to role out Vista make no sense, yet Microsoft seems intent on making it impossible for me to stick with it without having to commit piracy, which is a really really bad idea. I'd like to see the feds force Microsoft to keep selling XP so long as there is demand from business and the public. They don't have to support it, they just have to allow us to load new machines with XP without breaking the law.
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Uncle Fester Ballmer will
by AppleRocks1963 April 26, 2008 10:31 AM PDT
make you switch to Vista whether you like it or not!
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End of XP?
by RBP2 April 26, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
What arrogance! After 6 years of using XP it still crashes, I am still being sent updates, but at last I can mostly figure it out. I am comtemplating buying a new computer. If the Microsoft-in-the-head idiots force me into Vista before the early suckers have suffered thru a couple more years of frustration, they can count on me to buy a Mac
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Vista vs XP on consumer PCs/laptops
by DeVizardofOZ April 26, 2008 11:19 AM PDT
Having used WINOS's Win95 I see the sloppy programming of MS. Programs made by MS have problems running on Vista. What I call sloppy programming is the kind that uses more and more system resources, thus making new fast machines slow for no good reason. Why on earth does the MS OS and every single MS program have to report to Bill Gates and consorts...? We have put up with patches, updates to an extent, where hard drives are filled with this junk, and obsolete files NOT automatically deleted. The level of arrogance on the part of people like Ballmer and his boss is unbearable. Why cant these people learn? It appears that they have moved far away from consumers needs and ignore their wants.
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Vista vs XP on consumer PCs/laptops
by DeVizardofOZ April 26, 2008 11:20 AM PDT
Having used WIN OS's since Win95 in the 90's I see the sloppy programming of MS. Programs made by MS have problems running on Vista. What I call sloppy programming is the kind that uses more and more system resources, thus making new fast machines slow for no good reason. Why on earth does the MS OS and every single MS program have to report to Bill Gates and consorts...? We have put up with patches, updates to an extent, where hard drives are filled with this junk, and obsolete files NOT automatically deleted. The level of arrogance on the part of people like Ballmer and his boss is unbearable. Why cant these people learn? It appears that they have moved far away from consumers needs and ignore their wants.
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Some Wisdom From A Bond Flick
by GatesOfHell April 26, 2008 11:30 AM PDT
"All of this prompts the real question: Why won't Microsoft just extend the deadline? The company's rationale that customers and computer makers aren't demanding a longer life for XP seems to be increasingly implausible. Kevin Kutz, a director in Microsoft's Windows unit, said that the downgrade-rights option meets customer needs." As if Kevin Putz or any M$ exec is going to tell us anything other than what they want. The following exchange, from early in the Bond flick Tomorrow Never Dies, between evil media mogul Elliot Carver and his video wall of global empire commanders, sums it up pretty well: Carver: Are we ready to release our new software? Crony: Yes, sir. And as requested, it's full of bugs, which means that people will be forced to buy expensive upgrades for years. Carver: Outstanding.
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Whats The Problem?
by rgrant2000 April 26, 2008 11:50 AM PDT
So what?s the problem here? Seems to me a business large or small wants to sell its product. Why wouldn?t Microsoft want Vista installed on new machines? Yes?you should have a right to have whatever OS you want installed on something you are going to own but you can?t blame MS for trying to have their product installed?that?s a lot of revenue. Actually I think this would be a great opportunity for Linux to get into the game to rule the OS world. Having 2 giant?s competing to make software better would be great for both companies. I see people bashing MS for no other reason than to be contrary. Microsoft?s problem is not that their software is bad?it just tries to be all things to all people. That would be hard to do for any OS. I have Vista on my laptop and I find it neither slow or buggy. I am using office 2007 student addition (was kind of disappointed that I had to pay so much for Outlook as an add on after I found I really missed it) and it works GREAT. One Note is something I am beginning to love for work and home. I use my laptop for WORK? not gaming, and if you try to mix gaming and work you are bound to run into conflicts, no matter what OS you use. Down loading any piece of shareware whose main objective is to run well on Vista or XP can or will slow down your computer because it may not care if it conflicts with other software you may have downloaded. Microsoft isn?t evil because it wants to make a profit. Every giant technology company wants to make a profit. I am neither a apologist for MS or any other software or hardware company. I just happen to use MS products because they more or less rule the business world for now and that?s just the way it is. Maybe Dell and others can court Linux to run on their machines?it would be good for everyone. R. Grant
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