April 30, 2008 11:09 AM PDT

Obscure Microsoft product behind halt of Windows releases

A compatibility glitch with the latest versions of Windows has thrust the spotlight onto a little-known product from Microsoft's Dynamics line for midsize businesses.

Microsoft said on Tuesday that it was delaying the availability of Windows XP Service Pack 3 and halting automatic updates to Vista Service Pack 1 because of problems with Microsoft Dynamics Retail Management System.

Just what is Dynamics RMS?

It's software that enables specialty retailers to handle cash register functions, process payments, and automate purchasing, inventory and other back-end processes, said Michael Griffiths, the group product manager for the retail part of the Dynamics business.

Dynamics RMS is used to manage about 38,000 different store locations, he said.

Perhaps its most notable customer is the NFL's Dallas Cowboys, who use it to handle all of their merchandising activities, in conjunction with Microsoft's Dynamics AX product.

Microsoft acquired Dynamics RMS as part of its 2002 acquisition of Southern California-based Sales Management Systems, and it last updated the product in January 2007.

Griffiths said the Dynamics team discovered the issue as part of its testing and realized that the problem could lead to data loss.

"The key issue is, there is a potential for data loss within the RMS solution itself, which is obviously something we wanted to make sure we address immediately," Griffiths said.

He didn't offer a specific reason why the company didn't catch the issue sooner. "It just happened this was the time and place when we did find the issue," he said.

Recent posts from Beyond Binary
Adobe says Photoshop Express glitch fixed
Mundie: Microhoo totally dead, unless...
Glitch delays Photoshop Express update
Microsoft denies putting 'copyright cop' in Zune
Microsoft to show new search tech this month
Add a Comment (Log in or register) 26 comments (Page 1 of 1)
I knew this a long time ago
by Orion Blastar April 30, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
every time Microsoft releases a new OS or SP it changes the API calls used by various DLLs. I knew this as far back as 1999, when Windows 2000 beta was causing all kinds of problems. Office 2000 had the same kind of issues. I wrote Visual BASIC programs for FORTUNE 500 companies as a programmer analyst. I tried to explain this to managers, but they wouldn't listen. I said wait until Microsoft releases all of the API changes so I can modify the API calls that our customized software makes with Windows and Office library files and fix the issues. But they wouldn't listen. I had contacted Microsoft over those issues and they said a future service pack will address compatibility issues and the API calls are undocumented and part of Microsoft's IP and not released to the public. Windows XP had the same issues, as did Vista and now XP SP3. It isn't just Microsoft's business software that has issues with Vista and XP SP3, but a lot of other legacy business applications. Many firms are still sticking to Windows 2000 SP4 and Windows XP SP2 or SP1 for now. As they addressed all of the compatibility issues with legacy business software. Microsoft is in such a hurry to get new OSes and service packs out that they don't test critical applications to see if they work with the new versions of system files anymore. Not even their own critical business software it seems.
Reply to this comment View all 2 replies
Is this a surprise?
by macoverdose_dot_com April 30, 2008 12:14 PM PDT
MS is more interested in touting numbers than getting something good out to customers. Its little surprise that they cant even make their own crapware work together.
Reply to this comment View reply
"Potential"?!
by Jon N. April 30, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
It's been my experience over the last 5 years that Windoze is rife with data loss. M$haft makes it sound like this is something new and different. HAA! When I started to use Windoze XP, and even when I switched to Vista, I lost data like a bad set of keys! The reason I switched to Ubuntu Linux, was because of the problems I had due to Kernel instability & data loss. Don't get me wrong, I back up all of my data at the end of the week - REGARDLESS of my OpSys! I do it onto a SD 1GB Flash Drive. That way, I can take it with me in the case of an emergency. This is just another reason to switch to Linux. I don't know what cash register system Apple may have, but rest assured, there is a few retail register applications in Linux. Now, with this problem, M$haft Windoze sinks a bit faster! I love the yoga commercial on Apple's website. In one word, "Funny". M$ Windows is defective. MICROSOFT: RECALL YOUR WINDOWS SYSTEM NOW!
Reply to this comment View all 2 replies
Why delay a release because of a software noone uses?
by vadik78 April 30, 2008 2:04 PM PDT
The delayed SP3 because "Dynamics RMS is used to manage about 38,000 different store locations". Would they delay SP3 if it would break IBM's lotus notes or Oracle database that has more then 38,000 users? P.S. Lotus Notes sucks, so they should release service packs that break Lotus ;)
Reply to this comment View all 2 replies
hurry without making quality tests
by ismabera April 30, 2008 10:23 PM PDT
Till Windows 95 I always wait 1 or 2 years before I decide to change Windows. MS never made new Windows without a lot of bugs. They are making the same mistake (hurry without making quality tests) as IBM made with OS2 (199x) and lost war with MS on PC area.
Reply to this comment
Would Microsoft do this for anyone else?
by battlefella May 1, 2008 8:02 AM PDT
Microsoft often says that their OS people don't play favorites with their own apps (which does often seem to be the case as the two divisions don't often intermingle), but one has to ask: Would Microsoft delay release of an OS Service Pack and halt auto-updates of another one if someone else, say Oracle or Powersoft, had an issue that 38,000 of its customers might lose data? There is no doubt that the Microsoft response to them would be "update your own app or tell your customers to turn off auto-update, we can't hold up a SP for just 38,000 sites". In that light, this reaction is very interesting.
Reply to this comment View reply
They could take over banking so...
by chash360 May 1, 2008 12:30 PM PDT
They have tried to grab the money from the other end, by getting into POS systems? Sorry, but anyone dumb enough to let M$ just take over their physical cash flow systems, is just asking to be ripped off!
Reply to this comment View reply
Just wait til they screw up Yahoo's sofrware too.
by JCPayne May 1, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
Boy ohh boy they will destroy Yahoo in nooo time flat.
Reply to this comment
Just wait til they screw up Yahoo's software too.
by JCPayne May 1, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
Boy ohh boy, M$ will sure destroy Yahoo in nooo time flat.
Reply to this comment
Powered by Jive Software
  • About Beyond Binary

  • During her seven years at CNET News.com, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days most of her attention is focused on Microsoft.


    Beyond Binary is a look at how technology is changing our lives and the people behind all that life-changing stuff, with an extra emphasis on that which emanates from Redmond, Wash.

Add this feed to your online news reader
Google
Yahoo
MSN

Stuff I'm reading:

Latest blog posts from News.com

Featured blogs

Coop's Corner by Charles Cooper Charles Cooper weighs in on Silicon Valley hijinks, and he doesn't suffer fools gladly.

Defense in Depth by Robert Vamosi Covering the latest in computer viruses and computer crime.

Geek Gestalt by Daniel Terdiman At the tech culture nexus of video games, fire art, and virtual worlds.

Green Tech Fresh green tech news and commentary.

One More Thing by Tom Krazit Tom Krazit takes on the tech phenomenon that is Apple, and keeps a close watch on the chip industry.

Outside the Lines by Dan Farber When business and technology meet, that's when things get interesting.

The Iconoclast by Declan McCullagh Exploring the intersection of politics and technology.

The Social by Caroline McCarthy Exploring all facets of social media and tech culture.

Underexposed by Stephen Shankland Coverage of digital photography, science, and open-source software.

advertisement
On CHOW: Does drinking ice water burn calories?
Advanced
search
Advanced
search
Visit other CNET Networks sites: