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September 9, 2008 12:23 PM PDT

Blu-ray Profile 1.0, 1.1, 2.0 explained--Ask the Editors

Posted by Matthew Moskovciak
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The now dead HD DVD format had its faults, but we always loved the fact that there was a single hardware requirement for every player since day one. With Blu-ray, there are three different profiles, and each profile has a different set of required features, which affects what kind of special features you can play back on certain discs. And even though manufacturers aren't allowed to make the older Profile 1.0 players anymore, there's still a chance there are a couple of legacy units sitting on the shelf at your local retailer. So, is a Profile 1.0 player worth buying? Should you pay extra for Profile 2.0? Let's check out the differences.

Profile 1.0

Profile 1.0 is the original hardware requirement for Blu-ray players and essentially meets the bare minimum for playing back Blu-ray Discs. You'll have no problem playing back a movie, listening to standard audio commentary, tracks or using interactive "pop-up" menus, but you won't be able to access advanced features like picture-in-picture video commentary or download any extra content online.

If you're the kind of person that never watches special features, you might be fine with a Profile 1.0 player, but be aware that you may not be able to take full advantage of more advanced Blu-ray features. Manufacturers aren't allowed to produce any more Profile 1.0 players, but it's not rare to see the older units still being sold--for example, the Sharp BD-HP20U is still widely available. With the price of Profile 1.1 players falling as quickly as they are, it's probably worth skipping Profile 1.0 players.

Profile 1.1 (also known as BonusView or Final Standard Profile)

Profile 1.1 allows for picture-in-picture commentary on certain Blu-ray Discs.

Profile 1.1 allows for picture-in-picture commentary on certain Blu-ray Discs.

There are several different hardware requirements (see the chart below), but it basically boils down to the addition of picture-in-picture functionality, also known as BonusView. Typically, Blu-ray movies use this feature to enable a small window of video commentary, where a director or actor talks about a scene while it happens in the background. Profile 1.1 players need to have the secondary video and audio decoders necessary to play a smaller video in the corner, while also playing the main high-definition movie in the background. Movie studios were somewhat reluctant to include BonusView functionality at first, but now many Blu-ray Discs include the feature.


Profile 2.0 (also known as BD-Live)

Profile 2.0 allows for Internet-enabled features, such as downloading movie trailers.

Profile 2.0 allows for Internet-enabled features, such as downloading movie trailers.

Despite Profile 1.1 also being known as Final Standard Profile, there's actually still another Blu-ray specification, Profile 2.0, also known as BD-Live. The reason it's called BD-Live is that the major difference between profiles 1.1 and 2.0 is that Profile 2.0 requires that the player have an Internet connection, usually via an Ethernet port. Although some Profile 1.1 Blu-ray players have an Ethernet port, these are strictly for firmware updates and can't be used to access downloadable content.

In addition to Ethernet connectivity, the other major requirement is 1GB of local storage capability. All that means is that the player has to have some way of adding storage to the player, which is where the downloadable content is stored. We've seen players with USB ports or SD card slots to fulfill this requirement, while other players have some built-in storage--you'll have to check the specifications to see how the player implements this feature. While the BD-Live features we've seen on discs so far have been underwhelming, they're sure to improve as disc makers get a handle on the technology.

Technical hardware requirements


Features Profile 1.0 Profile 1.1 Profile 2.0
Required local storage None 256 MB 1 G
Secondary video decoder Optional Mandatory Mandatory
Secondary audio decoder Optional Mandatory Mandatory
Internet connectivity Optional Optional Mandatory

Chart compiled using EMediaLive's excellent Authoritative BD FAQ and Wikipedia.

Isn't there a Profile 3.0?

If you've heard of a Blu-ray Profile 3.0, you're not hallucinating. However, don't get all-nervous that your brand-new Profile 2.0 player is going to be obsolete. Profile 3.0 is an audio-only profile, intended to be used with audio-only Blu-ray Discs. It opens the door for manufacturers to make low-cost Blu-ray players that lack all the requirements in the chart, for those that are only interested in audio playback. We haven't seen any Profile 3.0 Blu-ray players released or announced, and we've only seen a handful of audio-only Blu-ray Discs, so it's not something current buyers have to worry about.

Which profile should I buy?

The easiest way to avoid all these headaches is to buy a Profile 2.0 player, which is currently the most future-proof option there is. In particular, we recommend the PS3--not only is it the best Blu-ray player according to our reviews, but it also has traditionally been updated with new features before other Blu-ray players. Additionally, because the PS3 has such a fast processor inside, we've found that special features just work better, with faster load times and smoother playback.

If you're the kind of person that never fiddles with special features and you've found a great deal on a Profile 1.1 player, there's no reason not to buy it as long as you know what you're giving up. Profile 1.1 players should have no problems playing back future Blu-ray movies, you're just won't be able to get additional content online. Profile 1.0 players are increasingly rare these days, so unless you find a fantastic deal, you can probably find a Profile 1.1 player for a similar price.

Got any additional Blu-ray profile questions? Let us know in the comments.

Covering home audio and video, Matthew Moskovciak helps CNET readers find the best sights and sounds for their home theaters. E-mail Matthew.
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by mickey918 September 10, 2008 4:18 AM PDT
I don't recommend you buy ANY BluRay player as most experts I've read say that BluRay will not be around in 5 years. Why waste your money?
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by RRosal September 10, 2008 5:38 AM PDT
mickey918:

Consumers will go where the next generation of entertainment is and not based their opinions on the words of "experts." If we were to go with the experts' advice in the past, then CDs and DVDs wouldn't be where they are now. And if you're hedging your bets on downloadable media, make sure that you're aware of Comcast's recent announcement on the consumer 250GB per month upload/download cap and that most other ISP's may go that route-so don't place too much on that competition. But hey, if you're happy with your 480p crappy definition DVD then go with it man. I'll take my 1080p copy of The Shining over the poorly done DVD any day.
by alpertjm November 30, 2008 6:03 AM PST
This is a non-helpful posting. We live in an age where technological changes occur so rapidly that an electronics product becoming obsolete in 1-2 years is not uncommon. If it's possible to acheive HD playback for 5 years for a player that's under $200, that's actually doing pretty well. But hey, if you like the grainy resolution of regular DVD's, more power to you.
by Wes#1 September 10, 2008 6:48 AM PDT
"Experts" love to hear themselves make predictions that gain THEM attention. There is nothing on the horizon to supplant Bu-ray as the only HD physical media... and the public at large (and especially studios) love physical media. Blu-ray is just getting started and will be with us for many years while the internet infrastructure plays catch-up and becomes affordable. Even then, downloading will likely only be a rental model.
As for the "profile" issue of this article, I think it should be made clear that you can watch MANY (indeed MOST) supplements just fine with 1.0. Most commentary tracks can be switched on and off -- no PIP window needed (or wanted!) in the majority of BRDs out there.
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by conchchowder October 11, 2008 8:01 PM PDT
Flash media is not only on the horizon, it is here. Flash is the future of HD video my friend. I have a 16 GB card I paid $20 for. Do you think It will be long before the 64 GB flash card is here and movies will simply slide into your pj, tv, or AVR. Y'all are so stuck on moving disks...think forward. Streaming may come along at some point but not while the cable companies can make cash out of the diverted bandwidth.
by Rick Cavaretti September 10, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
Look, I just want to watch the movie. I don't care about the commentary or pulling up a reverse view PIP or something. In my standard DVDs, I've never accessed any of the extra features or popped them into my computer for interactive content--who has the time?. What makes them think I need more extra features I'll never utilize? Keep it simple, keep it cheap. I just want to watch the movie, like the first time I saw it in the theatre. Pass the popcorn please.
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by b_baggins September 10, 2008 9:46 AM PDT
What the author conveniently forgets to tell you is the reason Profile 1 is illegal to manufacture anymore is because the DRM was cracked, meaning you could actually rip and copy your HD movies. Can't have that.
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by carlitosway74 September 10, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
Thanks for the detailed info Matt along with the PS3 recommendation....now if I can convince my wife!
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by Dragon_Myr September 10, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
Yes, here's a Blu-ray question. Why in the world would I want to spend double or even triple the cost of a DVD just to watch a movie? Most movies are barely worth the $9.50 the theater charges. Paying $30+ is unbelievable. Unconverted DVD looks great even on a 1080p HDTV. I just want to watch a movie...not listen to some commentator, go online for extra content, receive messages, or any of that.
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by yankeescf November 2, 2008 3:07 PM PST
I agree that I only want to watch the movie, and maybe a few 'making-of' features on the disc, which is STILL POSSIBLE without profile 1.1 or 2. I myself bought a prof. 1.1 player. However, the fact that you're saying upconverted dvd's look just as good as blu-rays is ridiculous. Have you ever watched a blu-ray movie? Didn't think so. If you watch a regular dvd on a big 42" 1080p tv, you have to view it from pretty far away to get a nice, clear picture, which is still lacking in a great amount of details. Watch a blu-ray movie, and you can sit as close as you want without a loss in picture clarity.
by dodgeman007 September 10, 2008 11:16 PM PDT
what blows my mind is people talking about watching a blue--ray movie filmed even more than a few years ago, IT WASN'T FILMED IN THAT RESOLUTION, your not gaining ANYTHING, IE the shining, yeah that movies older than i am, think it was filmed in 1080P? well your way wrong, i have some ocean front property in kansas to sell you, there are really only 10-20 movies that exist in the blue ray lib. that are worth having in blue ray. and i assure you the shining is not one of them. there is no way to add detail where detail doesn't exist, its not possible, thats why up-converting dvd players are a sham as well.
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by fire1fl September 11, 2008 3:40 AM PDT
Almost all commercial movies are filmed in 35mm. The resolution is 20-25 MP per frame. That is approximately 10 times the resolution of 1080p. If the resolution of the conversion from film to tape or digital media is less than 1080p, it was because the manufacturer chose to lower resolution or the copy was made from an inferior medium (i.e. VHS tape).

That is the only point of HD and BR - to be able to provide better resolution to an increased capacity digital medium. We're not in Kansas anymore.
by DarkHawke September 15, 2008 5:29 AM PDT
I'd add that some TV shows were filmed in higher resolution than is available from DVDs. And as anyone who's seen the remastered Original Star Trek will tell you, even 40 year old TV shows can be upgraded to look SPECTACULAR on HD.
by Nisei October 3, 2008 10:50 AM PDT
@dodgeman007
The fact that you obviously don't know ANYTHING about how movies are recorded is OK. But please don't use caps to make something clear which is complete disinformation.
by basenjiboy October 5, 2008 12:55 PM PDT
Dodgeman, you don't know what you're talking about. First of all, virtually all feature films are shot on film - which has at least 25MP per frame resolution, with significantly higher dynamic range that HD or SD video. At this point, there aren't any video formats that can truly match or exceed film's resolution and dynamic range. BUT, each new generation of video recording and playback comes closer to the quality of film and creates the need to retransfer the existing library of films to the newest video format so us consumers can see the movie in as high quality as is currently possible.

Why don't you view an SD VHS copy of the movie 2001, shot in 1969, on an SD monitor and compare that to a remastered Blu-Ray version viewed on a 1080p 50" plasma screen? Try to tell me there is no difference in picture quality.
by Renegade Knight October 10, 2008 7:34 AM PDT
Good thing Blue Ray plays DVD's then eh?
by Wes#1 September 12, 2008 7:27 AM PDT
To address the question about why an older movie would look better on Blu-ray than on standard DVD... one must think about the display of that movie. You can get away with "upconversion" on a small screen and it looks pretty good. On a LARGE screen (say a 60"+ set or any good projection rig), the difference between true 1080 lines High Definition and a 480 line Standard Definition becomes far more obvious. In "upconverting" 480 SD, your player (or projector) is actually synthesizing additional video lines (to fill in the voids) to create a fake 1080 lines. The larger your display gets, the more obvious these fake lines become. And, yes, even a 40-year-old film like "2001: A Space Odyssey" looks better on Blu-ray than on SD DVD... the former being sharper, more detailed, and with fewer artifacts when shown LARGE in true 1080p. Depending on your display, as they say, "your mileage may vary."
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by racevw14 September 14, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
A lot of disinformation here!
Blu-Ray will be around more than 5 years, anyone who thinks HD downloads will replace it has never heard of internet caps & if I want highly compressed HD without uncompressed audio I'll watch cable!

Th profile 1 players were announced to be discontinued several months before any broken DRM's, it was always meant for there to be only profile 1.1 & 2.0 players, I wish they'd kill the 1.1 players myself & there would only be profile 2.0 players.

To the fact that older movies weren't shot in 1080p, well that's true, old movies shot on film actually have a resolution of 4K!!
That's more than enough resolution for Blu-Ray transfers.
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by DarkHawke September 15, 2008 5:25 AM PDT
Above controversies aside, I want to put together an HTPC that would include a Blu-Ray player. What do I need to get to get it to a Profile 2.0 spec? Is it enough to get a currently available disc drive and software, and any changes/advances in the spec will be handled with software updates, as with the PS3? Do I need a given CPU spec to handle all this secondary processing?
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by Michael Hawkins September 17, 2008 9:06 AM PDT
I cannot play doomsday on my sony player. Is there any way round this so I can just play the Blu ray film?
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by teccyfreak November 22, 2008 8:54 AM PST
Since purchasing a Sony blu-ray player BDP-S300, I have installed three firmware downloads, 0395, 0420 and lastly 0430. Does anybody know what these downloads do and does it upgrade the player to profile 1.1? Even the Sony shop does not seem to know what it is all about!
Peter. (teccyfreak)
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by doved41 November 29, 2008 6:53 AM PST
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