May 8, 2007 2:10 PM PDT
Congress rethinks the Real ID Act
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Beyond conservative and liberal groups, another potent source of opposition has been state legislatures and DMV offices, which are worried about the cost of doing background checks on their citizens and outfitting everyone with Real ID cards.
A summary (PDF) prepared by the National Governors Association, the National Conference of State Legislatures, and the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators said that Real ID will increase visits to state DMVs "by over 75 percent" a year at a minimum, and predicted that "there is simply not sufficient time to implement the requirements."
In a time-honored Washington political move, however, Real ID proponents have proposed silencing the states by writing large checks to cover any compliance costs. "I do believe Congress should pay its fair share in implementing the system," Heritage's Carafano said during Tuesday's hearing.
Opponents counter by stressing privacy and security concerns. Bruce Schneier, the chief technology officer of BT Counterpane, said in the same hearing Tuesday that security is better served by having a variety of different identification cards. "A single credential is a one-stop shop for identity thieves," he said.
In addition, even Homeland Security's own Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee said this week that it could not endorse Real ID.
In Congress, there is at least some interest in revisiting Real ID. A modest approach by Sen. Susan Collins, a Maine Republican, would reduce Homeland Security's power to order states to comply with the law.
Other proposals include one from Rep. Thomas Allen, a Maine Democrat, that would rewrite the Real ID Act, insert privacy safeguards, and hand $2.4 billion to states over an eight-year period. And Sen. John Sununu, a New Hampshire Republican, and Daniel Akaka, a Hawaii Democrat, have reintroduced a bill to repeal portions of the existing law.
Wide open boarders exists and they feel that they need an ID card? Close the boarders first!!
The illegal immigrants get pulled over by a policeman and the officer has to let them go without even a ticket. No arrest ever occurs for illegals. They are privileged residents. So what does this ID do? Does it help make us secure? Hell NO! It is only used to control and track US citizens. Illegals can open a bank account without any proof of residency or citizenship.
We need a damn finger print, SSN, Drivers license etc to open an account and now we will need a National ID? Hell NO!
Obviously the plan is to track and control US citizens not control airline access and not to make us safe. Just to tag and track us like animals. The elite leaders think that we are here to serve them and jump at their beck and call.
MRI last time I had one just to screw up the RFID, if that could
do it.
What really bothers me is the Feds basicly taking over the State
ID and license programs. There is a clear seperation between
State and federal in our constitution. Lets keep it that way.
Tenth ammendment.
As for the boarder issue, We already have enough money being
spent in the middle east. Lets divert it to the southern boarder
and put up a 15 foot mine field, signs and audio alerts warnings
so we are not at fault. Have a fence on OUR side of that 15 foot
field so we don't have people injured from our country. Now tell
me that won't help solve the illegals from the southern side
getting over.
NeXT thing you know they will require us to have barcodes
tatooed on our hands for identification (so you can't leave home
without it!)
Are the Feds going to be exempt from this crazy ID? They love
to be exempt from what they push on us.
Repeal it and tell Furor Bush to shove it!
I reckon existing data needs to be scrubbed for the new system. garbage in existing system will be garbage in the new one.
if they start from scratch, then the new system needs to be phased in over 10/20 years!. All kinds of exceptions and special cases will be introduced, rendering the system worthless (per stated goals) by the time it's fully implemented.
national system that allows tracking of every citizen, on demand
simply by pulling the records from any system into which the
RealID Number has been entered.
According to the law, without a RealID, no citizen would be able
to enter a federal, state or local government building, including
a courthouse, nor would they be allowed to open a bank account
or to get on an airplane.
In other words, by enacting this law, the government has just, de
facto, taken control of the air travel industry (no valid ID, no
travel by air - sorry, pal!) and has denied any citizen who has
lost or had their ID stolen access to the courts or their duly
elected public officials - including the ones who can replace
their ID!
How stupid is THAT?!
So think hard about this one, folks. If you lose this precious
item, you no longer exist (except at tax time, of course!) to the
government, the travel industry or the banks (if you want to go
inside of a bank to, say, get a mortgage or to fix a foul up in
your accounts, that is!).
And you WILL have to present your paperss.
And they will contain information that you will not want
anyone but your doctor (for instance) to have.
SO kiss the "Land of the Free" goodbye because, if you don't
have your RealID, you can't go to the bank, visit ANY
government building (including museums, National Parks, State
capitols or to see your IRS auditor should you be called in for an
audit) or catch a plane OUT of here!
That whirring sound you hear beneath your feet is the sound of
the Founding Fathers, doing a perfect imitation of a high-speed
drill in their graves - along with every veteran who ever gave his
or her life to preserve these freedoms.
I just can't wait to see what happens the first time a
Congresscritter or, better yet, a Supreme Court Judge, tries to go
to work without his or her RealID.
THAT should be a lot of fun to watch! Because, under the law,
they would not be allowed access to their own offices!
Write your Congresscritter and get this law pulled! It is ill-
conceived and un-American.
Lee Darrow, C.H.
Chicago, IL
BUF depends on the cross-border traffic to make it a viable alternative to YYZ. Expansion in recent years is *not* due to a boom in Buff-town, but frustration over Toronto's airport congestion and 30 minute terminal to runway rides. Someone better not be forgetting to make a "passport" valid to board a plane...
-A North American family since 1760...and still with family on both sides of the northern border...
Right now a SSN can be -
- stolen and used to open accounts in someone else's name with very little effort
- spoofed and used to open accounts illegally
That's what needs to be rethought, is the now national requirement by businesses to defer to the SSN as an identifying piece of information, as well as a medium for extending credit. My driver's license isn't the problem as it doesn't really do anything but certify that I passed a written exam. The SSN, on the other hand, drives everything in today's economy.
My suggestion would be to replace the current SSN-driven system with this Real ID, as the "identifier", but not replacing a person's driver's license.
Hmmm. Lets think about this.
1) You have a drivers license? No?
2) A State ID verification card? No?
3) A student ID perhaps?
Just open your wallet and see what forms of "identification" you have.
The point is, we all need to know who we're dealing with at some point.
These IDs now contain photos. Did you know that the early drivers licenses didn't have a photo id?
But today they do. Why? Because we want to make sure that the people who are who they say they are and that the technology is advanced enough to support better identification.
A national ID would be a better device to contain more accurate and a combination of IDs as well as better authentication.
Will it stop all ID frauds? No.
But it will make it more difficult to commit ID theft.
We live in an age where we must do more to protect ourselves.
Do I trust Congress to get it right? No. Why Not? Because they don't have the ability to seperate a good idea from the fud and they will cater to special interest groups and have their own agenda.
But the idea has merit.
Let us stop being good Democrats or Good Republicans but Let us be Good Americans and protect our Constitution for it was for all people, Left, Right or in between.
I have switched to the Constitution Party:
Go to: Baldwin2008.com
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by freedomangel377
June 29, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
- The National ID is just the beginning of a darker Nightmare then what we have already experienced. This is a wolf in sheeps clothing if I ever saw one. This bloodsucker once attached will be hard to get free from.....better safe than sorry.
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See all 34 Comments >>Do we have such a short memory: The NAFTA TRADE AGREEMENT was promised by Bush SR, Bill Clinton and now Bush Jr that it would create thousands of jobs....they forgot to tell us for whom the jobs would be for, surley not for us because we have lost hundreds of thousands of jobs here in the USA and they continue to go overseas. Someone is bent on Bankrupting this Nation...their loyalty is not with her here at home....Homeland Security was created by Bush....can you trust him......I voted for him twice...I won't trust him again....Nor will I vote for him a third time by voting for Obama or McCain...The National ID needs to be scrapped.....Vote for Dr Chuck Baldwin on the Constitutional Party Ticket.