DVD dispute burns at PC makers

After quietly heating up over recent months, the battle over next-generation DVD formats boiled over Thursday, as Dell and Hewlett-Packard assailed Intel and Microsoft, which have lined up in the opposite camp.

Earlier this week, Microsoft and Intel announced that they were backing the HD DVD format, saying its approach will spur easier home networking of movies and make it simpler to distribute hybrid discs containing both high-definition and traditional DVD movies. Dell and HP shot back Thursday, saying the world's largest software and processor makers were spreading "inaccurate" information. They also reiterated their backing for the rival Blu-ray format.

"From a PC end-user perspective, Blu-ray is a superior format," HP personal-storage unit general manager Maureen Weber said in a statement. Weber said Blu-ray offers anywhere from two-thirds to 150 percent more storage capacity, as well as higher transfer rates, and fits easily into slim notebooks. "The technical merits and consumer benefits of Blu-ray Disc make it the ideal solution for HP's customers."

Dell founder Michael Dell also lashed out at Microsoft and Intel during Wednesday's launch of a new premium PC line.

"Which version of Windows was the first to support DVD drives? The answer is none," Dell said, "because there is no DVD codec in Windows, because manufacturers have always provided their own codecs."

Both formats use blue lasers to pack more data onto a disc than is possible with today's DVDs, which are scanned by red lasers.

HD DVD has been supported by a Toshiba-led consortium, while Blu-ray has backing from Sony and the PC makers.

Microsoft countered the PC makers' claims, saying that although Blu-ray is promising some features, such as hybrid disc abilities, those features won't be ready as quickly as HD DVD will have them.

"Blu-ray has a promise there but they are several years away from delivering on the media," said Richard E. Doherty, a program manager in Microsoft's media and technology convergence unit. Doherty also said that Microsoft sees it as critical that all next-generation DVDs can be ripped onto a computer.

The spat is yet another example of the technology industry failing to line up behind a single standard. The format wars began in earnest with VHS vs. Beta in the video tape arena but can also be seen in more recent divides, including the DVD+R vs. DVD-R split. That DVD battle continued without a settlement, though many computers now have drives capable of recording to either type of media.

This particular battle is interesting in that it pits Intel and Microsoft against several of their largest customers. The battle has also divided the Hollywood studios.

Twentieth Century Fox, Vivendi Universal and Walt Disney have backed Blu-ray, while HD DVD's supporters include New Line Cinema, Paramount Home Entertainment, Universal Studios Home Entertainment and Warner Home Video.

Envisioneering analyst Richard Doherty (no relation to Microsoft's Doherty) said that although the content and technology providers appear willing to bicker, the stores that sell consumer DVD players and PCs want to see a single standard.

"What the retailers have told both groups is, 'Get your act together. We want one format,'" the analyst said.

Microsoft, meanwhile, said it would like to see an accord, with its representative acknowledging that a format war is likely to slow adoption of both DVD formats.

"We're still very hopeful that a war can be prevented," Microsoft's Doherty said. "If there is going to be a format war, we really want HD DVD to be the winner.

For its part, Microsoft plans to support both playing and copying of HD DVD discs with Windows Vista, the new version of the operating system due out next year. Doherty said Microsoft will support playback and streaming of existing standard DVDs, but it is still evaluating whether consumers will be able to rip such DVDs onto their hard drives.

Envisioneering's Doherty said there is still some hope that a peace agreement on next-generation DVDs will be reached, saying that as recently as earlier this month talks were held aimed at finding a compromise.

"There were dialogues," he said, "but no puff of white smoke (indicating a decision was reached)."

CNET News.com's Michael Singer contributed to this report.

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EVD is the king
by mythmanq September 29, 2005 5:10 PM PDT
I am suprise you didn't mention about the working of Enhanced Video Disc (EVD). EVD has been deployed and well know in Asia. I like to see it here in the US market soon..
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next gen dvd not very important
by mgarfein September 29, 2005 5:16 PM PDT
It seems to me that by the time HDTV is widely adapted the internet speeds will have gotten fast enough to make on-demand the practical and preferred method for watching movies making this whole argument irrelevant.
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This is not actually correct
by aemarques September 30, 2005 5:13 AM PDT
Michael Dell asked "Which version of Windows was the first to support DVD drives? The answer is none."
This is NOT true. You don't need a codec to support a DVD drive, and EVERY version of Windows supports DVD drives without drivers (because for the OS they are seen as normal IDE devices). He should be talking about DVD-Video! And, actually, if Microsoft had direct support for DVD-Video integrated in Windows XP or any other version, probably everyone would be crying that MS was taking its business away. I can only imagine what the European Commission and/or the US Justice Dpt. would do...
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Experience from DVDs
by David Arbogast September 30, 2005 7:25 AM PDT
I support HD-DVD at this point, for no other reason than the repeated headaches I've had trying to play DVD's on my PC and my MediaCenter. Basically, I'll support any format (or both), if the codec for playing video ships with my computer just like it ships with my entertainment-center equipment. I've had to purchase more than 1 DVD decoder for my systems... sometimes they work well, sometimes they don't. Some of these companies are charging nearly $100 for an MPG2 decoder! I can buy an entire DVD player for less than $100.
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blu-ray writers sooner that indicated
by September 30, 2005 7:50 AM PDT
Microsoft should do some research before making this statement.
"Microsoft countered the PC makers' claims, saying that although Blu-ray is promising some features, such as hybrid disc abilities, those features won't be ready as quickly as HD DVD will have them".
BENQ has PW300 blu-ray writer production 2nd-quarter 2006.
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It's not about storage
by Thor2005 September 30, 2005 8:31 AM PDT
As a user I'm not concerned which of the next generation optical format will be able to store more data. I want a format that is compatible with my old DVDs (HD-DVD) and I don't want a player that forces me to stay plugged on the internet (Blu-ray). Sony is always trying us to follow its way and like other times it will loose this battle again. I've read other opinions and most of people won't welcome Blu-ray. I'm just tired of this format war.
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Holographic Storage will soon be out, finally !
by grey_eminence September 30, 2005 8:35 AM PDT
According to recent demonstrations of their Holographic Disk Drives at selected conventions.

In-Phase, Optware, and Aprilis said their Colossal Storage capacities will soon be on the market.

Why buy a retread storage technology when you can get the latest gizmos.
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Format wars older than VHS/Beta
by jshale September 30, 2005 9:17 PM PDT
Format wars are older than just the VHS/Beta fight. Edison made only cylinders for years as opposed to Victor Talking Machine's disks, and even the disk crowd initially had various speeds depending on who you bought your grammaphone from (of course Victor's 78 rpm eventually won out). Later, Columbia brought out 33 1/3 lp's, which RCA Victor countered with 45 disks. Thankfully, that format war resulted in the happy compromise of 33 1/3 lp albums and 45 singles.
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in the end, it's all about videogames...
by October 3, 2005 1:30 AM PDT
the real dispute, and the reason why Microsoft supports HD-DVD is due to the console market. Sony will ship their PS3 with Blue-ray units, whereas Xbox 360 just has a standard CD driver. Now, if Microsoft was to upgrade the Xbox reader, which format do you think they will support? their main competitor's one? I doubt it.
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I'll go with my instincts on this one
by Michael Grogan October 3, 2005 8:18 AM PDT
My instincts tell me if WinTel is strongly backing a particular format that format has to be bad for consumers. These guys have an unblemished record of scxrewing us. Anyone else read the story today about Intel QUIETLY distributing low end P4 chips with no further ID than a series number on the end? Talk about buyer beware!
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