False starts in race to future of DVDs

news analysis Is all of this Blu-ray Disc versus HD DVD bickering much ado about nothing?

Many column inches and much screen space have been filled with discussions of a "war" between two rival next-generation DVD formats. On one hand, it's understandable: the opposing camps are manned by the world's leading technology companies and the biggest names in film and television: Microsoft, Hewlett-Packard, Apple, Dell, Intel, Sony, Toshiba, Samsung, 20th Century Fox, Universal, Warner Bros., Paramount, MGM and many more.

But more than 18 months after the launch of both formats, the question remains, should the average consumer care? Most would say, "not yet." Both sides are still engaged in a battle for consumer attention and dollars, while some are prematurely declaring victory. (Panasonic is the most recent to predict Blu-ray--which it is backing exclusively--will be the undisputed champion.)

There is no guarantee either of these formats will still be viable 12 months from now, so it's unclear why the casual movie fan would consider investing in either side at all--particular because the price of the players and discs are still relatively high. More importantly, many consumers think regular old DVDs are perfectly fine.

The studios and hardware makers on both sides are betting heavily on launching a new format, of course. But all the bickering and public posturing over the last year looks patently ridiculous when one considers how few discs and players these industry giants are actually arguing over.

Case in point: 300 is the fastest-selling next-generation title so far, according to Warner Bros., which says it sold 250,000 high-definition copies of it in the first week. (How fitting that the most successful next-generation movie thus far is about a group of warriors waging an unwinnable battle).

At an industry conference last week, representatives from Microsoft (HD DVD), Sony and Pioneer (Blu-ray), sniped at each other over the number of copies of 300 sold on each format. Blu-ray claims its version of the disc outsold HD DVD's by a margin of two to one in the first week. The breakdown was actually 65 percent Blu-ray, 35 percent HD DVD, according to a Warner Bros. representative.

But only when you consider that the studio sold more than 5 million copies of 300 on standard DVD does it become clear that all this posturing is over less than 5 percent of sales. On the hardware side, DisplaySearch said 5 percent of sales of standalone DVD players in September were either HD DVD or Blu-ray.

For now, both sides are priming the pump to create awareness for a technology that, currently, most consumers can't necessarily even take advantage of because they need a full high-definition (1080p) television to get the maximum effect of an HD DVD or Blu-ray movie.

"It's a different sell if you don't have an HDTV set yet," said Paul Erickson, director of DVD and HD market research for DisplaySearch. "Most of the appeal (of a next-generation player) will come from (having) 1080p. While that may be the standard in the future, 720p is still selling very strongly."

"DVD is a victim of its own success. It's a good technology."
--Josh Martin, analyst, Yankee Group

Luckily for the backers of both formats, high-definition TV sets are selling well these days. Eight out of every 10 TVs sold in the month of August were HDTVs, according to the NPD Group. And 1080p adoption is on the upswing as well; sales of 40-inch and larger LCD TVs that output 1080p resolution have increased more than 40 percent in the last year, according to data from DisplaySearch.

But NPD uncovered a very telling statistic in its 2007 report on high-definition video: 73 percent of current HDTV owners "are satisfied with DVD and don't feel the need to replace" their current players.

Ultimately, DVDs are good enough for most people. Most consumers probably already own a DVD player. If they don't, the average price is certainly more attractive than those of either HD DVD or Blu-ray players. Though prices of both have come way down in the last nine months, the average price for next-generation DVD players is $390 more than standard DVD players.

"DVD is a victim of its own success. It's a good technology," said Josh Martin, an analyst with Yankee Group Research. Plus, the step up to DVD from VHS tapes is not analogous to the step up from DVD to high-definition discs. "Next-gen isn't redefining, it's more tweaking of the technology. Content owners think it's a bigger leap, but consumers look at (a next-generation disc), and it's a disc, and it's not worth $600 or whatever" for the player to go with it.

Some would argue the biggest roadblock in Blu-ray and HD DVD's aspirations of becoming the standard in home video actually isn't the format competition--it's inexpensive, so-called upconverting DVD players, or standard players that have the ability to take regular DVDs and translate them into 1080p, the same resolution as Blu-ray and HD DVD. Though the studios and hardware makers will argue that it's just not the same as the movies recorded and played back in 1080p, it will be good enough for the average consumer.

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90 comments (Page 1 of 5)
HD is An Eyechart Test
by jmb-lawyer October 15, 2007 5:32 AM PDT
The fact that most people who own HD sets are satisfied with standard DVD should not surprise any eye doctors. If you do the math (which one eminent TV Engineer has done), sitting the average 7-10 feet from a screen, before you can see the different between 1080i and 420p you need a screen at least 72". In one review (with ordinary and experienced viewers), using 50" top-of-the line 1080p LCD and Plasma screens, Blu-ray and HD were only somewhat better than upscaled (OPPO player) standard DVD - not really worth money, effort, and possibly choosing the "wrong" format. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/23/AR2007062300060.html
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HD Player will lag HD TV
by ahickey October 15, 2007 5:55 AM PDT
People will first buy their HD TV and then look to upgrade their movie player. So, there is probably another 12-18 months before there is enough demand for either format for a commercial decision to be made by the studio until then it's just R&D money and posturing.
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How Consumers Can Win This Format War
by markdoiron October 15, 2007 6:22 AM PDT
"'This is not a format war on technology, it's a format war on content, and no one's going to win,' said Yankee Group's Martin." What Martin suggests is basically where we're currently at; and the market is being awful darned slow to decide. How about this as a third alternative (from the two Martin suggested): The two competing format associations (HD DVD and Blu-Ray) get together and guarantee to consumers the following: 1. The studios can use whichever format they chose. One or the other or even both--the studios chose. 2. That the two associations will only allow the manufacture of player devices that support three formats .. forever: DVD, HD DVD and Blu-Ray. There will be no single-format (or dual-format, if DVD is included) players manufactured .. ever. 3. That high def disks will be sold for a reasonable price, consistent with that the consumers have come to enjoy for DVDs. Do the preceding and everyone can win. But, that's the problem. The associations aren't so much concerned about winning as they are about the other side losing. The want total control. Until they're willing to give that up, there'll be a format war and I seriously doubt the market will decide to do anything, meaning the status quo (DVD rules) will remain. --mark d.
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By next year, the war will be an afterthought
by i_am_still_wade October 15, 2007 6:24 AM PDT
I saw Crutchfield had the new Samsung universal player for $800. By this time next year, I bet it will be $400. With universal players, you won't have to worry. Unlike Beta and VHS, the medium is the same size, so universal players can and will co-exist. And with each side entrenched, this is the best outcome. I, like most consumers, just want to push play.
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DVD is "Good Enough" is an excuse, not a reason
by meh130 October 15, 2007 6:43 AM PDT
It is very likely if a single HD format was established at the beginning, many people would have already bought a next generation DVD player. The prices would likely have fallen even faster, as even more companies would be competing. And it is likely the next-gen discs would be cheaper as well if there were a single standard. People don't wait because "DVD is good enough", people can wait because DVD is good enough and the high def content war is a disaster. "DVD is good enough" wins when the alternative is a $500 next generation DVD player turned paperweight a year later. A lot of people still remember BetaMax. As for the WaPo article, I notice it used an Xbox 360 as the HD-DVD player, and a Sony PS3 as the BD player. I assume the test used a new, Xbox 360 Elite with the HDMI output, and the Accell device was an HDMI switchbox. However, realize two things with this configuration. First, the next-gen DVD players, and associated logic included with game consoles are not designed specifically to produce the best movie outputs. Second, switchboxes can sometimes affect the signal quality. This may have explained some of the video artifacts mentioned in the article. As the comparison was with a top of the line SD-DVD player, WaPo should have used higher quality HD-DVD and BD players. The top of the line SD player may have features focused on movie presentation. Also, the WaPo article incorrectly states an upscaling SD-DVD player is required to get the best picture from an HDTV. All HDTVs include upscalers to convert SD content to the HD display. Some HDTVs do a better job of upscaling than some upscaling DVD players (although the Oppo device is considered one of the best). The biggest problem is many people still connect SD-DVD players to HDTVs via a composite connection. My personal opinions are based on the following: I can clearly see the difference between SD-DVD content played on my upscaling SD-DVD player (I do not own a next-gen DVD player) and HD content delivered by satellite (such as HBO in HD). I also was able to clearly see the difference between Blu-Ray and SD-DVD in a Sony Style store. The SD-DVD was a non-upscaling device, and the 50" SXRD HDTV upscaled the content very well. But the BD on a 70" SXRD HDTV was jaw-dropping. If you go giant-screen, you should consider a next-gen DVD player. If you stay 50" or below, you can probably do find with a good quality SD-DVD player for now. But the answer if we had a single standard would be, buy the HD device now.
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Know your topic before you post
by graviz October 15, 2007 7:00 AM PDT
"consumers can't necessarily even take advantage of because they need a full high-definition (1080p)"? ....All you need is a HD TV. It doesn't have to be 1080P. Eventhough it states on the the dvd boxes 1080P, it doesn't mean it was shot in 1080P. I have seen a 1080P and 1080i or 720P tv side by side with Blu Ray and there is no difference. "Most of the appeal (of a next-generation player) will come from (having) 1080p. While that may be the standard in the future, 720p is still selling very strongly."? ....Standard dvds are only able to produce 480P, not 720P. You can buy an "upconverting" player but all it does it double the lines. (i.e. Garbage in garbage out) Great info but make sure you know your topic before you write about it.
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Enough with this already
by CanadianGeezer October 15, 2007 7:13 AM PDT
Rhe formats are about 'Hawking' in the manner of new cars ... this is not serving essential needs ... DVD players now cost $25 and the content that can be played sells cheaply within a few months of release. Consumers with any savvy can see two (2) exhorbitantly overpriced Edsels right now ... both formats are severely flawed by "Form Factor" size (storage factors) and compatability/fragility in an era of Moore's law developments ... Soon most people will want movies on an SD sized chip that they can insert in a photo/movie service type kiosk/machine and drop in a few coins to move the latest movie onto it .... the capacity already is here ... the will is not ... Blue Ray and HD DVDthe just reminds us all that greed is rife !
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I found his "300" example a bit interesting...
by AnotherReader October 15, 2007 7:36 AM PDT
Mainly, because while you could buy "300" in JUST Blu-Ray, you could only get the HD version as a combo disk that cost about $9 MORE than the Blu-Ray disk. I don't mind buying the combo disks, but NOT if they are going to charge the same as buying the HD disk AND the DVD!
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Do not buy either....
by fred dunn October 15, 2007 7:43 AM PDT
I agree with the summary in that becasue the two competing technologies are incompatible the consumer that chooses either side has a 50% chance of their investment in content becoming nothing more than $30 coasters. I also agree that neither will really win this tug of war because while they are busy bribing studios to go their way other technology will come to market that will put both of these technologies to shame. Technology marches on and it doesn't wait for two bickering companies. You best bet is to continue purchasing regular DVD's. If you rent but don't buy then go ahead and take a dip in the HD player pool but just purchase the least expensive player you can find because it will be outdated in a year.
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Normal DVD good enough..maybe
by Rick Cavaretti October 15, 2007 7:48 AM PDT
Here's a twist, which most people don't consider. My father can see the difference from VHS to DVD, but not much on the same tv with a BR. He's in his mid-60's with the typical eyesight of someone in that category. If you are limited physically, what's the point? How many people can actually enjoy it, especially at those prices? It's like audio systems that can extend the highs out near to 20Khz or so, the upper hearing limit of average humans. But even by the time you're in your late teens, research shows that upper figure slowly creeping down. Pitty.
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