In electric car stakes, it's Miles to go

Miles Automotive will try to accomplish two feats with one car in 2008: bring an electric sedan to the market, and bring a car made in China to the U.S.

The Javlon, from Southern California's Miles Automotive, will go 120 miles before it needs a charge and will hit a top speed of 80 miles an hour, according to CEO Jeff Boyd. It will cost approximately $32,000, and its lithium ion battery will last more than 100,000 miles before it needs to be replaced.

The company hopes eventually to come out with other models that will accelerate faster and go farther on a single charge.

Although Miles is based in the U.S., the car will be assembled in China, and most of the key components, such as the battery, will come from there as well. The basic chassis of the Javlon, in fact, is already being used for a gas car by another company in China. (U.S. carmakers get parts from China but assemble them elsewhere, and Chinese companies do not import street cars in large numbers to the U.S.)

China isn't exactly identified with high-quality manufacturing these days, but Boyd and other executives assert that Chinese doesn't mean cheap or shoddy. The chassis was actually designed by Italian designer Pininfarina.

The battery also comes from a well-known vendor. "We're buying it from one of the premium battery manufacturers in China," he said.

Over the next three years, the world will get a chance to see if it's really ready to embrace electric cars. General Motors, Toyota, Honda and Ford all brought out electric vehicles in the 1990s--only to yank them off the market because of dismal sales. Some of the current crop of electric car designers and execs also assert that these early cars weren't very good.

Since then, better batteries, higher oil prices and global warming have brought the idea back into vogue. Tesla Motors will bring out a $98,000 sports car later this year.

Selling sedans
Meanwhile, a whole host of companies--including Think, Zap, Tesla and Phoenix Motorcars--hope to bring out sedans for the mainstream market. (Others, such as India's Reva, are aiming for the economy market, while Zero Motorcycles and Vectrix are selling electric two-wheelers.)

Miles Automotive vehicles

The sports cars are being sold on the basis of speed and acceleration, an advantage that comes from having an electric motor. Marketing sedans is a bit trickier. The sedans will range in price from $30,000 to $50,000, and most will only be able to go about 100 to 150 miles before needing a charge.

Will Americans pay that much for a car that might not get them away for a quick weekend trip without conking out? Nobody knows, but Boyd notes that most Americans commute only about 40 miles a day and that a lot of people have second cars they use only for commuting.

"We don't expect this to be most people's primary car," he said.

Charge time is another issue. The battery in the Javlon will take 8 to 10 hours to fully charge. That's significantly longer than the charge times touted by other manufacturers--the Tesla Roadster, which comes with a fairly large battery, charges in about 4 hours. Boyd says that customers will become acclimated to thinking about charging every time they park.

The Santa Monica company was founded by Miles Rubin, an executive-turned-entrepreneur and a philanthropist. About three years ago, he was at an automotive conference with now-Chief Marketing Officer David Hirsch. They listened to two engineers argue about the feasibility of hydrogen cars. One said hydrogen cars would hit in about 18 years.

"He turned to me and said '18 years? I'll be dead in 18 years. What can we do in 18 months?'" Hirsch recalled.

The company has already come out with low-speed vehicles that top out at 25 to 35 miles per hour. They are sold to college campuses, industrial sites and the military. The Department of Defense is replacing a number of conventional cars with low-speed vehicles. Retirement communities, which have seen a rash of accidents among their golf cart-commuting residents, are another target market.

The company has already come out with low-speed vehicles that top out at 25 to 35 miles an hour. They are sold for use on college campuses, industrial sites and military posts--the Department of Defense is replacing a number of conventional cars with low-speed vehicles. Retirement communities, which have seen a rash of accidents among their golf cart-commuting residents, are another target market.

"There are about 70,000 low-speed vehicles in the U.S. today," Boyd said.

To date, Rubin has put about $15 million to $20 million into the company. Venture capital firms have not invested in it.

The first prototypes are currently being finished in China, and Miles hopes to bring them to the U.S. for testing and to show potential dealers by September. The company will then begin the rigorous, and somewhat expensive, process of testing required by the U.S. government and the EU.

If all goes well, Miles will begin to sell cars in the fourth quarter of 2008. For the first year of production, it has set a goal of producing 18,000 cars, and for the second year, 38,000. An SUV-like car will follow, ideally, in 2010.

If electric cars are such a good idea, what will prevent the big companies from coming in and taking over? Size, says Boyd, who has owned and run several car dealerships. Unless big automakers believe they can sell 200,000 units of a new model, they won't make it, he said.

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50 comments (Page 1 of 2)
Are they really efficient?
by LuvThatCO2 August 10, 2007 10:55 AM PDT
How much energy does it take to produce these things? We're talking all the energy required for parts fabrication, transportation, workers commuting to the factory, getting the *heavy* batteries over from china, etc... The reason I ask is if they are expecting people to have 2 cars - one for commuting and one for longer travel - then people who have an *extra* electric car just for commuting may in fact be using (or be responsible for) more energy derived from petroleum than someone who owns just one traditional gasoline powered compact car. That is, after you take into account BOTH the energy the electric car uses and the energy needed to make the car in the first place, are you really saving energy? Let me summarize - is owning the two cars more efficient than owning just one small gasoline powered compact after you factor in all the additional energy it takes to create that second car. My suspicion is that its not even close. But it will, I'm sure, appeal to those fashion-enviro's to whom energy efficiency is more of a fashion statement than a real concern.
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Great Idea except
by CCromby August 10, 2007 11:11 AM PDT
This would be a great Idea except there is no place to charge the car outside of the home. Unless Place of employeement or Gas station set up charging station. This idea will be slow to catch on.
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I smell a snake oil saleman
by William Schnippert August 10, 2007 11:30 AM PDT
Yeah these will run up to 120 mile on a charge on a 70 degree day at 45 miles per hour, but what happens on a zero degree day when you have to run heat full blast to keep the windows from freezing up? How about when you set gridlocked on a freeway on a 90 degree day and need the air conditioning running full blast? If the big three could sell 20,000 copies of these per year they would jump big into the electric market. Mazda developed the miata for a target of less than 20,000 per year. The first year target for the Pontiac Solstice was less than 10,000 per year. And this car is just a conventional car converted to electric, not a ground up design. If the market was there, one of Toyota/GM/ Ford/Honda/Daimler would already be selling this and could develop a lot more cheaply than this guy. Has this car been dot certified for glass/lights/etc. Has the NHTSA-required crash testing been done on this Chinese market car?
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100,000 mile battery claim is fraud
by theBike45 August 10, 2007 12:04 PM PDT
Lithiun ion batteries deteriorate as a function of time, not just number of recharges, so that claims of 100,000 miles are bogus. The costs of li ion batteries to obtain a 120 mile range are also not small - at least $11,000, every 5 years or so, regardless of how much mileage you've been able to log. The Chevy VOLT with lifetime batteries and 40 mile range will send this EV to the bankruptcy court. This car costs more than the VOLT, looks horrible and has quality issues and can't get you to any destination over 55 miles away. It's a really bad vehicle that no one would ever consider except for the electric come on. Wait for the VOLT and save you money.
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Miles Electric Vehicles Are Great!
by davidkai1 August 10, 2007 3:16 PM PDT
I got a chance to ride in the Miles ZX40 here in NYC. It is one of their low-speed vehicles but was actually fast enough to keep up with traffic in Manhattan. Having worked in the automotive industry, and been lucky enough to drive some of the world?s greatest cars (Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche etc) on the street and track, the build quality of the Miles was impressive. In that regard, I would say it is easily the peer of economy cars from all major brands. Acceleration off the line was brisk (max torque @ 0 rpm) and even though it is not really meant for street use, it felt solid and safe. One of the most fun parts of the ride was the reaction of pedestrians. They loved the little Miles car and many people asked what it was and where they could get one. The quality and value of the ZX40 is indicative of the job Miles Automotive is doing. I expect the Miles Javlon will be the tip of the spear in the push to prove that electric vehicles (and not Hydrogen) are the future. The car will succeed by utilizing existing infrastructure, being easy to use, and affordable. Plus it carries the double benefits of reduced dependence on foreign oil and an emission free commute. Throw in Pininfarina styling with the ultra-vogue idea of being the greenest person on the street and Miles has a sure hit.
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EVs are viable...
by dcpyatt August 10, 2007 7:12 PM PDT
As previously mentioned, check out the documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car?" to find out some of the obstacles paving the way to the electric car. There is lots of food for thought in the theories presented there. I will be picking up my fully electric car in a couple of weeks, and it is ideal for my situation... I work less than 4 miles from home and my wife's college classes are at the local branch, so we can drive it on meaningful trips 6 days out of 7 and still cost less than a one way trip to work in my Blazer. And it's not a NEV either... it's a 1980 Comuta-Car, capable of keeping up with rural traffic and our small town main roads. As for the Chevy Volt, I'm a bit confused with their choice of engine for the charging system... a 3 cylinder turbocharged 1.0 litre just to spin a generator? Sounds a lot like a gimmick to make people think it's really powerful... it's not like it's a plug-in hybrid capable of switching over to gas/E85/(bio)diesel once the batteries run out... DaveP in Ohio
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Makes no sense to use fossile fuels to charge an electric car.
by lingsun August 10, 2007 7:23 PM PDT
Unless your electric company has a nuclear plant, having an electric car makes no environmental sense. Otherwise, you give up a gasline engine to have your electric company burn coal or natural gas to charge the battery.
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WHO killed the Electric Car (movie)
by barlie August 11, 2007 6:04 AM PDT
EV's are not new and VERY viable. They were put out by GM in CA in the 90's and once they started picking up/gaining ground, the oil companies pressured them to essentially scrap them. All the car's were leased out (not sold) so were recalled and scrapped. The oil co's want to be in business 20-30 yrs from now and thats why co's like shell are pushing Hydrogen. I would strongly recommed all the readers who disagree with the viability of EV's or the role of oil co's to see this documentry- "Who killed the electric car". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car
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Dismal Sales?
by open-mind August 11, 2007 3:49 PM PDT
I was disappointed to read this in the article: "General Motors, Toyota, Honda and Ford all brought out electric vehicles in the 1990s--only to yank them off the market because of dismal sales." That's the author's opinion disguised as a fact. Another popular opinion is that they were sabotaged by the auto-makers. Where you could you buy one of these EVs? Almost nowhere. Who knew these EVs were even available? Almost nobody. If you knew about the EVs and where to get one, could you get one? Usually not. Sounds like a recipe for "dismal sales" to me. What happened to these EVs? Most were retrieved from lease (still working perfectly), then quietly destroyed. It almost sounds like a conspiracy. ;-)
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Wow! All the oil company shills are out in force on this site!
by kurtvo August 12, 2007 9:13 AM PDT
Wow, the comments are this article are just chock full of the standard oil company bulls$$t! The shills are earning their paychecks today! It's sad because a casual reader with a curiousity about electric cars might read these comments and think that there are all kinds of real obstacles. Let's debunk the shills, shall we? LIE #1: "Electric cars just shift the oil/coal burning to the utilities so there would be no benefit-- or maybe even worse pollution!" Answer: This is a bald-faced lie cooked up by electric car opponents (oil companies, etc). It is repeated ad nauseum by the shills without any research or facts to support it. Acutal facts and research reports demonstrate that electric cars (EVs) are 5-10 times as effecient as gasoline cars. Why? Gasoline engines are very ineffecient, losing much of their eneregy to heat. Plus gasoline takes a lot of energy to be refined from oil, then pumped into trucks, then trucked all around the country. Think about how much gas is burned just moving gasoline to the service stations! Electric motors are extremely effecient, the distribution system is already in place (the energy grid), and EVs use no power when stationary (other than heat/cooling) and regain power when slowing/going down hills. Per mile, an EV "burns" just 10-20% of the oil a gasoline would require. Oh, while we're on this subject, the oil company shills always forget to mention that electric cars don't need oil changes, saving another 20-30 quarts of oil per car per year. Multiply that by the millions of cars on the road and you have a huge savings, not to mention saving the environment from this toxic oil waste. LIE #2: "Electric Cars will overwhelm the power plants, and cause them to spew more pollution." NOT TRUE: There is an enormous amount of unused capacity at power plants at night. According to a California utility (CAL EDISON) there is at least enough exess nighttime capacity right now to support 1 million or more EVs. And pollution? Controlling that is FAR, FAR easier and more effecient when it takes place in one location (an electric power plant) than when spread out over millions of gasoline engines. LIE #3 "Big Auto gave electrics an honest attempt but the public wasn't interested" This is only partially a lie. GM gave the EV1 a half-hearted attempt, just to satisfy California's zero emmissions laws. But the fact was, in the 90's and up until recently there was far, far more money in building big SUVs. Was there a big conspiracy with Big Oil to kill the EVs? Maybe, but good old greed was probably the biggest factor. LIE #4: "Battery technology isn't there yet" This is an outrageous lie considering electric cars that will be in production this year get 120-200+ miles per charge. That's plenty for 99% of daily drives. But what about if you need to drive farther than 200 miles? Well, battery technology ALREADY EXISTS (Nanosafe, A123) that allows for 10 minute or less recharges. Equip a few highway gas stations with high-powered chargers and the problem is solved. And with lower manufacturing costs and evolving technology you might get to the point where you can travel 500+ miles on a charge and not need the gas/charge stations at all. Imagine that... No gas stations needed! Maybe just a few mobile emergency stations with chargers for the occasional breakdown/failure. THIS WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE FOR THE OIL COMPANIES. All the technology for electric cars-- including batteries and rapid charging solutions-- already exists. They could be deployed TODAY... if there were the political will and forsight to do it. And if the powerful interests of the oil companies weren't fighting it every inch of the the way.
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