Mass deletion sparks LiveJournal revolt

Editor's note: On Thursday, LiveJournal apologized for the mass deletion and said many of the journals would be restored

Thousands of LiveJournal customers are rebelling against the company's recent decision to censor hundreds of sex-themed discussion groups, a broad swath that has led to the removal of literary critiques and fan-written fiction about Harry Potter.

LiveJournal, which is owned by San Francisco-based Six Apart, confirmed Wednesday that it deleted around 500 journals this week in hopes of better "protecting children." It said the deletion was prompted by activist groups, including one called Warriors for Innocence that claims to track sites promoting pedophilia, the sexual abuse of minors, and other illegal activities.

"We did a review of our policies related to how we review those sites, those journals, and came up with the fact that we actually did have a number of journals up that we didn't think met our policies and didn't think they were appropriate to have up," Barak Berkowitz, chairman and chief executive of Six Apart, said in a telephone interview. The site boasts about 13 million journals.

Some deleted LiveJournal communities went by names like childlove and little_children (a community permits multiple LiveJournal users to post entries, while an individual account is limited to one user). Others, however, broadly fall into the category of science fiction, fantasy or user-written "fandom" stories--and it is those that have sparked the outcry.

"As a queer, feminist writer who explores the darker aspects of human nature, many of my stories deal with incest, rape and child molestation," a LiveJournal member named "bitterfig" wrote. "As such, I belonged to and contributed to several of the communities which have been suspended and frankly I'm pretty offended. I don't like being lumped in with rapists and pedophiles and other 'monsters on the Web.'"

Practically any attempt to sort works of fiction into tidy piles of acceptable and unacceptable material, of course, is likely to invite controversy. Works by noted authors such as James Joyce, Henry Miller and William S. Burroughs have been lauded as masterpieces--and at other times prosecuted as obscene.

What has outraged the LiveJournal protesters is that the purging of discussions and accounts went far beyond what they say was necessary to target pedophilia. One post noted that two journals were deleted on the grounds that "they in some way encouraged illegal behavior" even though the accounts belonged to clearly labeled fictional characters in a role-playing game. Another deleted community was reportedly home to Spanish-language discussions of Vladimir Nabokov's famous novel Lolita.

"Our decision here was not based on pure legal issues. It was based on what community we want to build and what we think is appropriate within that community and what's not."
--Barak Berkowitz, chairman and CEO, Six Apart

Complicating matters is the fact that the science fiction and fantasy communities have long enjoyed amateur fiction about well-known characters--think Buffy the Vampire Slayer or pretty much anyone from the Star Trek universe. Some of those stories are parodies; others involve sex. A related genre includes "shota" or "shouta," which generally refers to depictions of romantic relationships between teenage boys or between an adult and an underage boy. (One user quipped: "Fandom is not about porn any more than the gay rights movement is about Teletubbies.")

One LiveJournal user named "omen-chan" acknowledged once being victimized by a pedophile, but nevertheless warned that the mass deletion went too far. "Pedophilia is disgusting, and I can understand deleting these," the post said. "However 'shouta' is simply fiction written about two underaged boys getting together, usually in a non-graphic way. There is absolutely nothing illegal in that. Fourteen-year-olds hook up together all the time. It's called high school."

One now-deleted group called "pornish_pixies" focused on fan-written fiction, frequently sexually explicit, about characters in the Harry Potter novels. "The distinction between fiction and non-fiction could not be made any clearer in a place like the Harry Potter fandom, and this oversteps the boundaries that the LiveJournal abuse team has," said a pornish_pixies member who identified herself as Maria in an e-mail. (A related group, "erotic_elves," has survived the purge.)

For its part, LiveJournal's abuse staff has defended pulling the plug on the communities by saying: "Material which can be interpreted as expressing interest in, soliciting or encouraging illegal activity places LiveJournal at considerable legal risk." That led one user, "femmequixotic," to reply: "I list 'gay marriage' among my interests--that is illegal in my state. With this wording my journal could be deleted, without warning, for the fact that I support equal rights of marriage for all."

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ORLY?
by skyermirth May 30, 2007 4:32 PM PDT
Um... interesting that a quick search on interest shows pages and pages of people listing and discussing the interests that LJ claims prompted the suspensions. Either you did a **** poor job of cleaning house or they're lying.
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Nice....
by butterflypersona May 30, 2007 4:43 PM PDT
Wow. So nice of them to let you guys know, instead of their users. There are so many people commenting and checking on lj_news that a database error comes up most times I try to refresh, and still no new post about this whole fiasco. Instead the lj_support team is being told not to say anything. And what's this about building a community? There already is an LJ community; this is just tearing down parts of it, because a lot of innocent journals and communities, particularly fanfic ones, are being affected. Users are frightened, locking their journals and removing all their interests. People are pulling their paid subscriptions and reconsidering getting permanent paid accounts. Six Apart acts like they have some kind of moral high ground. They don't.
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As Maintainer of WhydoesLJcensor
by subversive_submissive May 30, 2007 4:46 PM PDT
I would like to add that the members of Livejournal are making every possible move; from calling Jane, head of PR at her desk (yes she is answering calls) to writing the ACLU and even spreading it to those who may not have heard to being away for school, etc. This is a horrible mess and I am proud and happy to be a part of the solution and have no intentions of backing down. If this is where it starts, where will it end? ~The Original Subversive Submissive http://asexualdreamer.livejournal.com http://community.livejournal.com/whydoesljcensor/
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Statement to Be made in 1 1/2-2 hours by Jane: Livejournal PR rep
by subversive_submissive May 30, 2007 4:48 PM PDT
I spoke with Jane, who is head of PR for livejournal and sixapart and she has promised a statement in the next 1 1/2 - 2 hours. For a transcript of the conversation, please see:http://community.livejournal.com/whydoesljcensor/8158.html?style=mine
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fandom_counts
by ktoth04 May 30, 2007 4:49 PM PDT
fandom_counts was actually created today, and its now over 9000 members... just fyi.
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WFI run by a homophobic right-wing extremist
by SLWatson May 30, 2007 4:51 PM PDT
Listen: WFI is not some large organization dedicated to protecting children. It all comes down to one woman named Sue, who's link is right there on the main page. In her personal blogspot is homophobia, xenophobia and she proudly calls herself one of the 'redneck mafia'. Please, CNet, SixApart... think hard about what kind of woman you're reporting on. She is not there to do anything but further a hate-filled personal agenda.
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LJ SixApart - Communities Are There To Make Money (!)
by Pixieking May 30, 2007 4:58 PM PDT
Googling for news, I came across this http://rc3.org/2005/01/entry_6699.php "On the other hand, Danga was a casually-run company that existed to keep Livejournal running, and its founders cupboards full. SixApart is a venture-capital backed organisation that has a much more concrete appreciation of the concept of return on investment. It?s inevitable that at some point, someone will look at the statistics and realise that fewer than one in fifty Livejournal users are actually contributing to its upkeep." Contrast with "What would be more interesting is why they're NOT buying LiveJournal: they're not buying the site to spam you, screw you, destroy the community, or convert you en massé to their other paid services. They just want to double our efforts and have a part in all types of blogging." http://news.livejournal.com/82926.html So... Where *are* people going with their fandoms? Does Journalfen cost money? :/
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A first account of the hypocrisy, plus links.
by karibe May 30, 2007 5:17 PM PDT
I have a HUGE post here: http://roaring.livejournal.com/70304.html First there is my personal account with my run ins for LJ first claiming they could do nothing about supposed pedophiles, because there was no proof. Mine was not the only case. Then, it is apparent that people who have been banned without warning are now getting copy-and-paste statements from LJ stating they did this because they showed interested in illegal content. More in my post, which is, again, here: http://roaring.livejournal.com/70304.html
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fandom_counts created TODAY & growing
by oboros May 30, 2007 5:18 PM PDT
Date created: 2007-05-30 16:12:39 current membership: 9746
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it's all about advertising dollars
by thealtermind May 30, 2007 5:20 PM PDT
The WfI woman Sue explains on her blog that she had been complaining to Six Apart for some time with no results, so she screen capped companies ads [on LJ] being displayed next to the objectionable content, and sent those caps to the companies with her complaints. Those companies are then purported to have complained to Six Apart and threatened to pull their advertising. That being the case, it's pretty obvious what Six Apart's other concerns beyond legality are. Advertising has bought policy, exactly like they promised it wouldn't when they implemented it. But hey, they promised not to implement ads, too. They don't care about the user "revolution," because users aren't paying the bills like advertisers are.
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