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"Blue Hat" summit meant to reveal ways of the other side

By Ina Fried
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
June 15, 2005 4:00AM PDT

REDMOND, Wash.--The random chatter of several hundred Microsoft engineers filled the cavernous executive briefing center recently at the company's sprawling campus outside Seattle.

Within minutes after their meeting was convened, however, the hall became hushed. Hackers had successfully lured a Windows laptop onto a malicious wireless network.

"It was just silent," said Stephen Toulouse, a program manager in Microsoft's security unit. "You couldn't hear anybody breathe."

"(Hackers are) not just a bunch of disaffected teenagers sitting in their mom's basement. These are professionals that are thinking about these issues."
--Noel Anderson
Wireless networking
engineer, Microsoft

The demo was part of an extraordinary two days in which outsiders were invited into the heart of the Windows empire for the express purpose of exploiting flaws in Microsoft computing systems. The event, which Microsoft has not publicized, was dubbed "Blue Hat"--a reference to the widely known "Black Hat" security conference, tweaked to reflect Microsoft's corporate color.

The unusual March gathering, a summit of sorts between delegates of the hacking community and their primary corporate target, illustrates how important security has become to the world's most powerful software company. Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates himself estimated earlier this year that the company now spends $2 billion a year--more than a third of its research budget--on security-related issues. Security has also become one of the main themes of the company's developer conferences, including last week's TechEd event, where Microsoft pitched security improvements in Windows to 11,000 attendees.

Blue Hat was significant for other, less tangible reasons as well. It provided a rare glimpse inside the netherworld of computer security, where the ethical lines are sometimes fuzzy in the technological arms race between network engineers and the hackers who challenge them. During the course of the event, each side witnessed for the first time the inner workings, culture and psychology of the other.

"I didn't know if we were going to end up with this massively adversarial experience or if this was going to be something of a collaborative mode between all of us," said Dan Kaminsky, one of the outsiders who presented at the conference. Like others in the hacker group--many of whom are known as "security researchers" in their professions--he noted that the relationship ended up being the collaborative sort.

Still, in such a charged atmosphere, it didn't take long for emotions to show.

Matt Thomlinson, whose job it is to help make Microsoft engineers create more secure code, noticed that some of the engineers were turning red, becoming obviously angry at the demo hacking incident. Yet as painful as the lesson was, he was glad to see the crowd of engineers taking things personally.

Thomlinson frequently makes similar entreaties to the engineers on the need for secure code, but he said his own lectures don't have the same effect. "It kind of hits people up here," Thomlinson said, pointing to his head. "Things are different when a group of programmers watches their actual code exploited. It kind of hits people in the gut."

For two days, Microsoft staffers took these body blows repeatedly as they learned of various exploits. On day one, several dozen executives, including some of the company's most senior ones, were exposed to this simulated wrath in a makeshift boot camp. Among the participants were Jim Allchin, Microsoft's Windows chief, and Brian Valentine, head of core Windows operating system development. The second day drew about 400 rank-and-file Windows engineers, including people who don't necessarily focus on security features in their day-to-day work.

"It is rare that I can present to the people who are both responsible for and capable of fixing the issues that I cover."
--HD Moore
Security researcher

Allchin is not just any high-ranking software executive: In the technology industry, his name has become largely synonymous with the Windows operating system he oversees. A strong supporter of Blue Hat, Allchin wanted the Windows group not just to hear about security issues, but to see them as well.

"I'd already been through lots of days of personal training on the tools that are used to do this," Allchin said about the work of the hackers. "I personally wanted to really do a deep dive and really understand from their perspective."

It was a relatively safe way to get the experience. In a world where "white hats" are the security do-gooders and "black hats" are the hard-core villains, the hackers at Blue Hat were hardly representative of the dark side; if they had any pigment at all, it was no more than a tinge of gray.

This could well be a significant reason Microsoft held the event--to woo an influential group that has the choice of reporting security flaws discreetly or going public with them. The software maker routinely preaches the benefits of what it calls "responsible disclosure."

To the researchers, Microsoft's motivation was less important than the opportunity to meet in person with those who hold the keys to the kingdom and explain why they do the things they do.

"It is rare that I can present to the people who are both responsible for and capable of fixing the issues that I cover," security researcher HD Moore said,

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Zealot yes, but not just for Linux.

Paul Taylor 
Nov 24, 2005, 4:04 PM PST

knowing thy enemy

Michael00360 
Oct 19, 2005, 6:27 AM PDT

State of Security

Darby Weaver 
Aug 22, 2005, 7:39 PM PDT

It was...

Paul Taylor 
Jun 20, 2005, 5:45 PM PDT

MD5 was the fault?

Paul Taylor 
Jun 20, 2005, 1:43 PM PDT

Great write up.

Harvey Hayes 
Jun 20, 2005, 11:17 AM PDT

Interesting...

Ben Gray 
Jun 19, 2005, 7:35 PM PDT

Give them food and they will sell it!

Blazer2008 
Jun 17, 2005, 9:38 PM PDT

interesting ....

Arman Whoami 
Jun 17, 2005, 5:13 PM PDT

Hackers???????????/_*Buzzwords_Bah

Stanley Nissen 
Jun 17, 2005, 12:54 PM PDT

You've Just Won A New Car!

dejo 
Jun 16, 2005, 10:17 PM PDT

I resent two things

devanjedi 
Jun 16, 2005, 7:06 PM PDT

But I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!

Jacob Relles 
Jun 16, 2005, 6:35 PM PDT

waste of time...

PLDK 
Jun 16, 2005, 8:52 AM PDT

Ah, Mister Anderson...

katamari 
Jun 16, 2005, 8:25 AM PDT

Beneficial, but.....

Vox365 
Jun 16, 2005, 7:56 AM PDT

monkey coders

Brenton M 
Jun 16, 2005, 7:00 AM PDT

Bluehat event

Cragoogle 
Jun 16, 2005, 4:53 AM PDT




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