Net neutrality may not resolve Comcast vs. BitTorrent

Comcast's recent efforts to throttle file transfers that use the BitTorrent protocol have led to a renewed call for Congress to enact stiff Net neutrality laws.

Pro-regulatory groups including Public Knowledge have circulated press releases saying the episode demonstrates the "need for Net neutrality legislation." A Comcast-related post on DailyKos was titled "Why we need Net neutrality." Comcast, BitTorrent, and the phrase "need Net neutrality" appear in roughly 10,000 Web pages indexed by Google.

But even some supporters of new laws--which would enact antidiscrimination regulations aimed at broadband providers--are now reluctantly conceding that the proposals that have been circulating in Congress for more than a year may not do much to stop Comcast. (The company, a cable operator and broadband provider, has been sabotaging some peer-to-peer file transfers, which dramatically slows them down, although the file tends to be delivered eventually.)

Carole Handler, a partner at the law firm Foley & Lardner in Los Angeles who has written about Net neutrality and is now in favor of such regulations, says "the language is such that there is definitely some wiggle room in both bills." Handler was referring to bills that have been considered, but not approved, by both the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Harold Feld, senior vice president for the Media Access Project, which lobbies for Net neutrality laws, is also skeptical about whether Rep. Ed Markey's legislation would do much. If Comcast announced, "'We are absolutely going to prohibit peer-to-peer on our network or even manage our network so when we reach some unspecified capacity restraint, we're going to start messing with everybody's BitTorrent uploads, but it'll be totally random...' that is arguably permissible under the Markey bill," Feld said.

One reason for this is the wording of the language that the House of Representatives considered. Lawyers think of it as the network management exception: it allows a broadband provider to implement "reasonable and nondiscriminatory measures" in order to manage its network, as long as the company doesn't discriminate "between content, applications, or services offered by the provider and unaffiliated providers."

According to Comcast, reasonable network management is all it's doing. "Comcast does not, has not, and will not block any Web sites or online applications, including peer-to-peer services, and no one has demonstrated otherwise," spokeswoman Sena Fitzmaurice told CNET News.com. "We engage in reasonable network management to provide all of our customers with a good Internet experience, and we do so consistently with FCC policy."

Fitzmaurice was referring to the Federal Communications Commission's 2005 broadband policy statement, which describes expectations that broadband providers will allow their users to view sites, run applications, and connect devices to the network as they wish. Crucially, it also contains an exception for "reasonable network management."

To make matters more complicated, most of the gray areas can be found in the earlier Markey legislation. The Senate counterpart, called the Internet Freedom Preservation Act and reintroduced in January by Sens. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), is more specific. It doesn't contain broad immunity for network management, a legal shield that broadband operators argue is necessary.

It's not clear whether that potential murkiness will be resolved in a new version of the legislation, which Markey is expected to introduce during the next few weeks. An aide, who declined to be identified since the bill isn't yet final, told CNET News.com that the language--including the exception for network management--will probably not be significantly different.

When asked whether Comcast's conduct toward BitTorrent would be prohibited under the original bill, the aide said the clearest answer is "maybe." In any case, the bill's authors want to leave it up to an "expert agency," presumably the FCC, to decide whether a company's conduct in a particular situation was both "reasonable" and "nondiscriminatory," the aide said.

Until then, whether Comcast would be reined in by the two existing proposals remains, literally, an academic question. University of Pennsylvania Law School Professor Christopher Woo is one of the most vocal academic critics of extensive new Net neutrality regulations, which would typically be enforced by the FCC. Woo says that Comcast's conduct is "in a gray area," and it's hard to say exactly how either existing proposal would treat it. A "natural reading" of both bills, he added, is that Comcast's network management techniques would not pass muster because they're "discriminating on the basis of the application"--in this case, BitTorrent.

Another academic is more emphatic. Columbia Law School Professor Tim Wu, a proponent of Net neutrality regulations, said it's clear that neither of the proposals would allow the sort of activity Comcast is engaged in. "What Comcast is doing is 'application discrimination'--they are choosing one application and treating it worse than others," he said. "Nothing in any of the Net neutrality bills allows this."

CNET News.com's Declan McCullagh contributed to this report

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Guys, it's actually very simple...
by directorblue November 30, 2007 4:35 AM PST
Rules might be as simple as: * Prioritization of packets must not be done by inspecting source or destination IP address, TCP application stream, etc. In other words, TCP/IP! directorblue.blogspot.com/2007/10/comcasts-world-without-network.html
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Guys, it's actually very simple...
by directorblue November 30, 2007 4:35 AM PST
Rules might be as simple as: * Prioritization of packets must not be done by inspecting source or destination IP address, TCP application stream, etc. In other words, TCP/IP! directorblue.blogspot.com/2007/10/comcasts-world-without-network.html
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Time sensitive data
by inachu November 30, 2007 6:32 AM PST
A week doesn't go by where comcast interrupts my data connection. Doesn't matter if it is a live video feed over the internet or playing some internet based game like warcraft. Time and time again comcast is making me feel like I am paying for something that is acting like dialup when in fact it is an ALWAYS ON connection to the internet. I consider this not to be 99% uptime availability. It apppears to be more like 75% uptime availability. I will be switching soon to FIOS.
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Time sensitive data
by inachu November 30, 2007 6:32 AM PST
A week doesn't go by where comcast interrupts my data connection. Doesn't matter if it is a live video feed over the internet or playing some internet based game like warcraft. Time and time again comcast is making me feel like I am paying for something that is acting like dialup when in fact it is an ALWAYS ON connection to the internet. I consider this not to be 99% uptime availability. It apppears to be more like 75% uptime availability. I will be switching soon to FIOS.
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Liberals don't want regulation of the Internet, except when they want it
by fafafooey November 30, 2007 7:22 AM PST
Can't have it both ways... Either the government regulates it or it doesn't. Let the government regulate one little thing about it, and you are opening up a whole can of worms... But the myopic liberals don't care - they want to make it a political issue now, rather than having a long term view of things. Hypocrites.
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Liberals don't want regulation of the Internet, except when they want it
by fafafooey November 30, 2007 7:22 AM PST
Can't have it both ways... Either the government regulates it or it doesn't. Let the government regulate one little thing about it, and you are opening up a whole can of worms... But the myopic liberals don't care - they want to make it a political issue now, rather than having a long term view of things. Hypocrites.
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Go somewhere else
by GrandpaN1947 November 30, 2007 8:14 AM PST
Yes, it is simple. Under new net neutrality laws we have the option to use another provider. When hundreds of thousands of Comcast users take their business elsewhere Comcast will get the message and certainly regret doing what they are doing. I know I am happy I am not a Comcast subscriber now that they voluntarily give private information out and selectively throttle bandwidth. I've expressed my opinion in a way that really counts.
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Go somewhere else
by GrandpaN1947 November 30, 2007 8:14 AM PST
Yes, it is simple. Under new net neutrality laws we have the option to use another provider. When hundreds of thousands of Comcast users take their business elsewhere Comcast will get the message and certainly regret doing what they are doing. I know I am happy I am not a Comcast subscriber now that they voluntarily give private information out and selectively throttle bandwidth. I've expressed my opinion in a way that really counts.
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Why is Bit Torrent even an issue?
by OneWithTech November 30, 2007 8:45 AM PST
The main issue here is not Bit Torrent. It's not any application wether it be computer or web based. It the management of Data streamed on private networks that commonly agree to allow this data to flow free with respect to it's users. So how the hell does anybody need to stray away for the basics of what is needed. A frickn' child just hung herself while the neighbors that killer her are sitting in there house and not in Jail because of the vague language that deals with an issue like this! WHY...Same frickn' reason as net neutrality. Nobody wants to handle the main subject here which is the transfer and abuse of data on the networks. How hard is this? 1. Laws that deal with the transfer of data 2. Laws that deal with the abuse of data I personally believe its a "big lack of knowledge" on Congress's part to just let the system be pulled from all angles to the point where it's just easier to "not deal" with it than to "deal" with it. How about Congress does what its good at, get the techies from the hill to get together and create a "Special" panel; and DEAL WITH THIS NOW. Justin G Tech01.net
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Why is Bit Torrent even an issue?
by OneWithTech November 30, 2007 8:45 AM PST
The main issue here is not Bit Torrent. It's not any application wether it be computer or web based. It the management of Data streamed on private networks that commonly agree to allow this data to flow free with respect to it's users. So how the hell does anybody need to stray away for the basics of what is needed. A frickn' child just hung herself while the neighbors that killer her are sitting in there house and not in Jail because of the vague language that deals with an issue like this! WHY...Same frickn' reason as net neutrality. Nobody wants to handle the main subject here which is the transfer and abuse of data on the networks. How hard is this? 1. Laws that deal with the transfer of data 2. Laws that deal with the abuse of data I personally believe its a "big lack of knowledge" on Congress's part to just let the system be pulled from all angles to the point where it's just easier to "not deal" with it than to "deal" with it. How about Congress does what its good at, get the techies from the hill to get together and create a "Special" panel; and DEAL WITH THIS NOW. Justin G Tech01.net
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