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Well, that would be very bad for Northern Europe. England is the same latitude as Calgary, Canada. They have very different weather. They would have a freeze in London. England, Germany, France, Scandinavian countries will be frozen.

But here is another thing, which would be more likely. Think about our water supplies, especially in California. We supply roughly 20 percent of the agriculture in the United States. Virtually all of it is irrigated. It's not like the Midwest where it rains. Guess what? Most of the water storage is in the soil. So, this is going to be threatened.

If the temperatures go up by 3 or 5 degrees centigrade in the Midwest, then the agriculture machine in the Midwest is going to be threatened.

Now, is it a 99 percent certainty these things are going to happen? Probably not, but is there a 50 percent chance? Given the consequences, you've got to do something about it.

When you look at the alternatives to coal, oil and gas, the one that gets mentioned the most is solar. Do you think it will become one of the primary sources of energy?
Chu: I think in the long run it can be. In the short run, in the next 10 or 20 years, it won't be probably. Somehow we need some short-term solutions to tide us over. Solar means several things. Wind is solar as far as I'm concerned. Ultimately, solar energy makes wind. Wind can be maybe a 5 to 10 percent effect. But we need to figure out better ways of storing the wind energy. The wind doesn't blow all the time. You've got to be able to store it.

The wind doesn't blow all the time. You've got to be able to store it.
Right now there are two ways of storing electricity on a grand scale. One is to pump water up a hill. The other is to pump air into an underground cave or a used-up gas well and compress it; then you extract it and you burn a little natural gas and you get a turbine to spin. That's actually the best way for large scale energy storage. The Netherlands is going big in wind, and that (compressed air) is going to be their short-term storage.

How about converting solar energy into chemical energy?
Chu: From what I now know, it's not going to be as efficient as compressed air, but it is a much more valuable form of energy, especially in the form of a liquid fuel. Liquid means it has a very high density. Gasoline is incredibly dense in terms of the energy per volume or weight.

As we begin to run out of oil, and as the rest of the world clamors for more oil, there is going to be a real supply/demand problem. In the United States, we need to do this for many reasons. There is a huge balance-of-trade issue. There is the fact that we're buying oil from a lot of people who don't like it and some of that money--like it or not--does funnel to people who really don't like us.

I think it (oil) governs our international policy. It's related to the need to have a large number of aircraft carriers and things like that. It's not a deep dark secret.

China is modernizing its army because it has learned from the U.S. that you need military presence just to ensure access to energy. Just to have the presence--not whether you're going to use it or not--sometimes gets you a long way. I gave a talk in Beijing, and I said that to a bunch of finance ministers. They all nodded their heads.

How promising are biofuels?
Chu: We have great agriculture capacity. We have roughly 450 million acres that are either under cultivation or that we pay farmers not to cultivate. Roughly in the last five or eight years, we've spent $20 billion in agricultural subsidies to grow commodity crops: corn, soybeans and things like that. We no longer can sell our cotton in the world market because it's too heavily subsidized.

Realistically, will the agricultural subsidies go away in the next couple of years? No. Over 30-plus states consider themselves agriculture states. So let's pay them to grow energy. But let's make it sensible. See if we can figure out how to grow the most rapidly growing plants. Ideally they will be self-fertilizing; some plants are naturally self-fertilizing.

You mentioned switchgrass in one of your papers. Is that one of the candidates?
Chu: That's a candidate for a good start. Switchgrass doesn't require as much fertilizer. It's not as water intensive. But we can even develop better plants. Agriculture has been a miracle in this last century. The population has tripled or something like that. And the amount of land under cultivation went up by 10 percent or 15 percent.

If you think about it, the plants we eat now are a very distant cousin--and sometimes didn't even really have distant cousins--from what you find in the wild. Most of what we eat in plants are things involved in plant reproduction. If you think of corn, if you think about soybeans, the things we eat are seeds. What we did is, we fundamentally cultivated these plants to become sex fiends, to spend a lot of energy unnecessarily on reproduction.

So, we can do the same with energy. We can turn plants into growing more of something we can then convert into energy. So it's time to start from a blank sheet of paper, the way we did 5,000, 10,000 years ago.

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Very interesting post
by tutenstein May 23, 2006 10:03 AM PDT
This was a very interesting post. Incidentally, third-world countries where energy is scarcer have been doing these things for years.
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ZPE or Ethanol85
by KTWinATL May 23, 2006 12:39 PM PDT
Why didn't someone ask him about Zero Point Energy or Ethanol85?
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ZPE
by Aepervius May 28, 2006 5:52 AM PDT
I can't speak for ethanol 85, but ZPE or zero point energy is the lowest point of energy you can attain in vacuum (there is no therical way to extract energy from that state, since this is the lowest energy state) . Thus is not a valid alternative. Indeed most ZPE device touted around are pure scam and amount per definition to perputual motion machines. I think those might be called free energy device. Similarly, you can put denny klein (?) water fuel device in the same list of scam.

Now you know why it was not spoken of : there is nothing to speak about.
Hydrogen biased
by Blito May 24, 2006 4:53 AM PDT
I keep hearing the same argument about how certain renewable resources can't be used because it would take just as much energy and pollution to produce them.
With hydrogen, it is allot less costly to produce because it can be made from water with something as simple as a small solar powered converter, like for a car.
Hydrogen being too volatile is probably a little irrational. What about fuel cells that are being made with it now?
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Dr. Chu siad it, but...
by Souldreamer September 18, 2006 8:32 AM PDT
No one is paying attention, as usual. The only, ONLY reason to sweat (no pun intended) "global warming" is the effects it'll have on HUMANS! SO? The world' ecosphere was here long before us, and will be fine long after we're gone. The only effect WE have had is to perhaps, PERHAPS, hasten the inevitable extinction of a few species. So far, extinction is the way of the world. 99.99999% of all species that ever existed are extinct! And yet, new ones keep evolving to take their places. Through ice ages and warm periods, neither of which WE have ever had anything to do with, species have evolved and vanished again. So, let's see here...We are overdue a sheduled ice age. WE have raised the global temps, forcing this delay, and oddly, if we keep up, and the ocean conveyor fails, the ice age will occur. Once again...SO? Even if the world get's warmer and the CO2 levels rise, SO? It wouldn't be the first time, now would it? It's happened before, long and long before WE ever made the scene. There have been times when Antarctica was TROPICAL 6 months out of the year. So, what makes this such a big, fat, hairy deal? So what if there's a warm period, or another ice age? Whatever the cause, be it greenhouse gasses from the evil human's cars and cows, or a failure of the ocean conveyor due to processes we can only dimly comprehend due to the incredible interactive complexity of the temperature/energy movement systems of this planet, it's STILL only a big fat hairy deal because of how it affects US! The world's ecosystem will adapt. It always has, and always will. So what if theere's yet ANOTHER mass extinction? As long as we can manage to keep from nuking the world into a glowing, radioactive cinder, the ecosystem will recover. And even then, it might recover. life is TOUGH. It's just OUR set-up that's really in peril. Yep, there will be wars, and famines, and death on a huge scale...of HUMANS! The world's ecosphere could care less!
My point of all this rambling? Stop acting like the WORLD will end if nothing changes. The WORLD will be fine, it's just HUMANS that will have some severe problems. The world will be fine, like it was before we made the scene. Personally, I will NOT change and be grossly inconvenienced by some idiot that thinks the world should stand still and never change ever again, no matter what it takes on our part to make it so. No species may ever become extinct, the climate may never change, no matter what we have to go through to make it happen. This is an absurd and grossly unrealistic attitude, but one that seems to be sweeping the fad market. Do away with greenhouse gasses! Preserve every living species at all costs! Eliminate anything that might impact the evinronment in any way! How assinine. Even the biggest ecofreak example of how we are managing to totally destroy the planet, the Bikini Atoll, site of nuclear tests during the late 40's/early 50's, which they loved (past tense!!) to point at as the place where the evil humans had totally destroyed all life forever by our ruthless and careless actions...why, look! it has recovered, and it's ecosystem is not only recovered, but flourishing! Better and more diverse than it was before we nuked it! Son of a gun! So, you tell me i have to putt around in an under powered, zero acceleration, get out and push on hills vehicle because I am destroying the planet with my evil old car??? What a crock.
And while I'm on cars...WHy is it all, ALL other technologies have advanced amazingly and explosively over the last, oh let's give it 100 years, all EXCEPT the internal combustion engine? Why is the technology of the internal combustion engine STILL in the same state it was 50, 75 years ago? WHY aren't we using something a tad more up to date? Turbines invented back in the 40's, mega-mileage carbs, fuel cells (invented in the early 60's for heaven sake!), whatever. Why? Because it has been artificially retarded to maintain the profit margin of certain governments and corporations, that's why. The technology has repeatedly been created, and the patents purchased and quashed. Sometimes at the point of a gun. Terrible what can happen to someone's daughter if he won't sell his patent...
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