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November 2, 2007 1:34 PM PDT

Thanks to BitTorrrent, Net neutrality debate reignites

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The problem for broadband operators is the protocol eats up huge amounts of bandwidth. To keep their networks moving smoothly, operators have installed equipment from companies such as Sandvine and Ellacoya that inspects packets to identify the type of application being used. Based on policies established by the provider, the traffic can be blocked or limited.

Earlier this year, bloggers noted that BitTorrent sessions appeared to be targeted and blocked by Comcast's service. Comcast repeatedly denied these claims. The Associated Press did its own test and reported last month that several Comcast broadband connections using BitTorrent had been slowed or blocked.

"We engage in reasonable network management to provide all of our customers with a good Internet experience, and we do so consistently with FCC policy."
--David L. Cohen, executive vice president, Comcast

The SavetheInternet.com coalition, along with professors from Yale, Harvard, and Stanford law schools, have filed a complaint and petition with the FCC against Comcast asking the agency to take immediate action to stop Comcast's practices.

Comcast still denies claims that it is blocking any traffic. "Comcast does not, has not, and will not block any Web sites or online applications, including peer-to-peer services, and no one has demonstrated otherwise," David L. Cohen, executive vice president for Comcast, said in a statement. "We engage in reasonable network management to provide all of our customers with a good Internet experience, and we do so consistently with FCC policy."

A Comcast representative said when it detects congestion in the network due to peer-to-peer traffic such as BitTorrent, it slows down that traffic in the network to make room for other kinds of traffic like Web surfing. The management mechanism is only used for the BitTorrent or other peer-to-peer traffic that is causing the congestion.

But in its filings, the SavetheInternet.com Coalition contends that the way in which Comcast manages its network deceives consumers and also violates the open-access principles outlined by the FCC.

Specifically, the group claims that Comcast is using a technique called "spoofing" to slow down or block the BitTorrent traffic. The way it works is that after a BitTorrent session has been established, Comcast interrupts the session like an operator interrupting a phone call who informs both parties that the connection has been disconnected. But instead of breaking into the connection as Comcast, the company pretends to be a customer participating in the BitTorrent session who is simply ending the session.

Net neutrality supporters say neither Comcast nor any other service provider should selectively limit any particular type of traffic. "No one is suggesting that there is no room for bandwidth management," Wu said. "But right now the operators can pick and choose the applications they want on their networks."

Simple quality-of-service networking technologies that limit the amount of bandwidth that each individual user gets could be the answer to this problem, say experts. But Wu believes the issue is not really about bandwidth management. It's about who controls the Internet.

"The whole Net neutrality issue is really about a power struggle," he said. "It all comes down to a scenario where the phone companies and cable operators want to call all the shots about which applications enter the market. And while that may be good for them, I'd argue it's very bad for the country."

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FINALLY
by rnieves1977 November 2, 2007 3:54 PM PDT
The last two sentences are what it's all about...
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Carriers want to turn the Internet into Cable TV
by directorblue November 2, 2007 5:36 PM PDT
If you read Christopher Yoo's paper (funded by the cable companies), you can see what the carriers are up to. They point to pay-per-view cable (e.g., NFL on DirectTV) as their aspirational example.

The carriers' plans are obvious. Is the FCC completely bought and paid for by the telco lobbyists? The answer is obvious even to a casual observer.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2007/10/comcasts-world-without-network.html
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More than just neutrality.
by wildchild_plasma_gyro November 2, 2007 7:18 PM PDT
The ability to develop extra bandwidth services via buffer/cpu arrays across home and businesses in local areas.
Who gets to make use of future changes to the internet infastructre.
How to make everything work in realtime and how to satisfy all our demands.
Adopting internet 2 advances into the internet at large.
How much should local governent make use of the future internet world to extend the commons.
Is it best to run everything from a giant central cluster or can the internet be so much more.
Should anything have a central server point at all.
How well can you make full use of global P2P systems and does making it hybrid with central servers help it.

To know how this should all unfold technically america needs atleast a 6 year of engagment
during which telecommunications companies should be allow to experiment and certian neutrality issues should be upheld amounst other mesures to ensure fainess and a really engagment towards the best future solution.

The probblem is mistakes will cost the potential extendend economy improvments can make orand cost potential growth and economy of systems allready in place.

This current wangle is just the tip of the iceberg.
intervention is needed and it's about making the right desisions to ensure the best possible future.
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the world has some cool psysics
by wildchild_plasma_gyro November 2, 2007 7:59 PM PDT
If your are cheesed off with the idea you might be limited soon on the internet have you ever thought of researching Quantium computer systems with regards to generating large quantium data packets along the earth frequencies. That way no one can stop you.
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Too much RRR?
by matthewcsims November 2, 2007 11:51 PM PDT
Hey aren't there too many R's in the headline? It should BitTorrent, not BitTorrrent right?
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BitTorrent will come back
by guest86 November 3, 2007 3:46 AM PDT
A lot of people not trust with FCC. Just ignore them. Keep upload files and give away free. We not feel so good. We and people are feel little upset right now. Please solve the problems now. We don't want hear from FCC anymore in the future. Keep sharing files with people and make them happy and calm down. You see? That why, I told you.
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Does water co ask what you use the water for?
by lepton68 November 3, 2007 7:59 AM PDT
Does the water company ask what you are using the water for? No.
Does the electric company ask what you are using the electricity
for? No. Does the phone company ask what I'm going to be talking
about? No. Why should my supplier of Internet data ask what I'm
doing with the bits? It's not their responsibility.
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Net Neutrality Laws are Needed!
by Heebee Jeebies November 3, 2007 8:16 AM PDT
Not only for things like this. But, to keep the web accessable for all users and all businesses. If companies like Comcast, AT&T, etc. are allowed to control traffic based on who pays the most or who has the most favorible relationship with companies that control traffic flow on the net then only the large companies with deep pockets like Yahoo, Google, etc. will have any type of quick access.

The rest of use unless we want to pay millions will be out out of business and basically told who's information we can read and who we can do business with because gaining access to everything else will be slow and problamatic. This will set up the perfect environment also for blackmail and extortion type setups. If you don't think big companies would do things like this then you need to pull your heads out of the sand. Remember Enron, Health South, etc. etc.

Companies who's only goal is to make money can not be trusted to keep the web open and accessible for everyone. Greed will always win out this is why Comcast has increased their cable prices 93% over the last few years. Not because they give more, but because they just simply want more of your money. Greed will always win out over honesty and fairness.

Unfortunately, this also applies to the US government who is just run by a bunch of old idiot's. Who will do whatever the biggest contributor will ask them to do. As an example the DMCA!

Robert
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the summary
by dondarko November 3, 2007 9:52 AM PDT
"The whole Net neutrality issue is really about a power struggle," he said. "It all comes down to a scenario where the phone companies and cable operators want to call all the shots about which applications enter the market. And while that may be good for them, I'd argue it's very bad for the country."

nuff said
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Should be illegal!
by ceoballmer November 3, 2007 2:22 PM PDT
the torrents are just full of stolen stuff!
http://****************.blogspot.com
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net nuetrality
by yukkione November 3, 2007 3:04 PM PDT
I had Verizons Fios, they cut me off after a billing error from over a year ago "resurfaced". When trying to get service restored they would not give me help because i do not have a verizon phone. Also if I downloaded anything with BT, I would find my service was interupted and i would have to reset my router. This industry needs regulation.
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New BitTorrent Service
by dgiamanco November 4, 2007 11:46 AM PST
A solution to keeping the BitTorrent protocol open is to have a new public announcement service built upon it. Something like a decentralized internet warning system, where keeping a connection open is vital to information being passed around. Of course this whole idea would have to be thought out correctly, but by making the BitTorrent protocol necessary for some "good" uses, you also keep it open for everything else.
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I love all of the "Do-Gooders" out there..
by sys6656 November 4, 2007 7:20 PM PST
First off.. I use Bit Torrent to download huge files that are totally 100% legal. Linux ISO files are one. Bit Torrent software isn't in legal to use. It's not just about the bandwidth.. it's about ComCast tell "You".. the customer and the user, what internet applications you can and can not run. So all of you "Do-Gooders" that think this is just about stopping downloading of music and movies.. your shooting your own freedom in the foot. Period. Read More and learn: http://savetheinternet.com/
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Neutrality is never good!
by ceoballmer November 4, 2007 7:39 PM PST
When in neutral you go nowhere!
http://****************.blogspot.com
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Too bad the Comcast/bittorent issue has nothing to do with net neutrality
by MSSlayer November 5, 2007 1:46 PM PST
The ignorance by the CNET staff is alarming.
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Neutrality is a mute point
by jmarcellais November 12, 2007 8:30 AM PST
The US ranks 17th in broadband connections per capita. And in terms of average speed of a broadband connection in America, it's a joke. Japan leads the world in broadband speed with an "Average" connection of 60Megabits where the US average speed is lagging under 10 closer to 5 Megabits. If the ISPs in this country would just concern themselves with giving us fast connections, mainly fiber to the home, then all this talk about throttling anyone or anything will cease immediately. TV through your ISP is already a reality in Japan, and in HighDef. There's a lot of business to be done on a 60Megabit connection to the house, cable and phone companies need to wake up to this.
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WTF! Thanks to Comcast . . .
by criticny December 1, 2007 12:26 AM PST
The headlines for this article are so biased, I won't even bother to read it.

Who decided to attribute Comcast's recent bad behavior to a P2P app that's been around for years? Pheh. Pteui. Ach.

As for "Eating up bandwidth . . .", not even worth commenting on.
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