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December 16, 2007 2:35 AM PST

Wider spying fuels aid plan for telecom industry

The Bush administration is working to persuade Congress to pass legislation protecting companies that aid the NSA's warrantless eavesdropping program.
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None of this spying is keeping us safe
by Leria December 16, 2007 2:49 PM PST
None of this spying to try and stop narcotics trafficking is making us more safe. What WOULD make us more safe is something that the government doesn't want to do, at least better than half of them: legalizing drugs.

That would get rid of drug selling for terrorists (people wouldn't have to take the risk of selling to or buying from them if it was legal), would get rid of most of the murders and other things for drugs because the price for drugs would come down, and would allow us to more easily intervene in cases where people were ACTUALLY ADDICTED!

Someone needs to slap the government and tell them "You bleep'ers! Most of the problems in this world are coming from you, and you are trying to say you are trying to make us safer? I don't think so!"
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This is called TREASON...
by Had_to_be_said December 16, 2007 6:49 PM PST
...pure, and simple.

If the government (and this administration, in particular) gets away with this... then the United States of America, as a legally-constituted nation, is basically dead.

"Terrorism", had nothing to do with this (criminal-legislation). The "government" was trying to implement this long before "9/11" (decades before, in fact)... long before the, unbelievably-convenient, event of "9/11". They (elements within the U.S. Government) had already, in fact, written the laws that would allow the complete, and ultimate, suspension of virtually every major element of the U.S. Constitution (the "RICO" Laws, "The PATRIOT Act", "CALEA", Etc.), ...under the guise of "The War on Drugs", before any of this latest "terrorism" charade.

In fact, the current administration had asked for inter-departmental "input" regarding, what would later become, "The USA/PATRIOT Act"... long before "9/11". And, the administration was flatly told (by the Justice Dept.) that the American-People WOULD NOT ACCEPT these clear violations of their basic human-rights, and that these, insanely expanded, "police-state" powers, which were said to unquestionably be a violation of numerous laws (and Constitutional principals).

In short... if this passes... We, the American-People... no longer have a legitimate (or, in any way, legal) Government. We will simply be living in a Police-State Dictatorship. And, "law-enforcement" will no longer have any legitimate authority, what-so-ever. They will simply be, easily-identifiable, armed-thugs... imposing the will of traitorous-criminals, who have attacked every basic principle of the United States (and effectively illegally seized-control of our nation).

This may well be the final indication that America truly is "at war"... not with some, external, terrorist-threat, but with the criminal-factions that have taken up the reigns of power, within our own nation.

This IS a war of "terrorism"... but, it is NOT being waged against the American-People, by external-forces, but rather BY OUR-OWN "government".
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Bush is openly commiting treason
by The_Decider December 16, 2007 8:38 PM PST
Why isn't he he impeached and jailed yet?
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Should be a company facility.
by ralfthedog December 16, 2007 9:09 PM PST
Mark Klein, who says he stumbled upon a secret room at AN company facility in San Francisco...

It is sad when a profoundly dyslexic man who thinks he is a talking dog corrects your grammar.
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Bush bashing is pushed as Technological News now
by Proustian December 18, 2007 2:17 PM PST
There is no proof that non-terrorists are being spied upon. I wish CNet and the New York Times would at least try to verify a story before they publish it. This story is based on paranoid rantings and rumors and hearsays turned into left-wing political opinions disguised as facts and evidence and proof.

This is supermarket tabloid type journalism here, fabricated to get a political message out as propaganda and follows the yellow journalism method of not verifying anything, and just writing a story full of fallacies and scare tactics disguised as journalism. Done in the style that Josef Stalin or John Lenin would have done.

No warrant is needed if an agent of the government can show "reasonable cause" and that is the US Constitution 101 that everyone who was pulled over by a Police officer and given a "drunk test" without a warrant because the officer had "reasonable cause" that the driver was drunk because the driver swerved on the road. The same with wiretapping, if they find that a phone number calls a well known foreign terrorist number, they have "reasonable cause" to wiretap that phone number to see if there is any terrorist activity. So unless you are a US citizen calling foreign terrorist network phone numbers, you aren't being wiretapped. If you find this law offensive, it must be because you are making long distance calls to foreign terrorist phone numbers and you wish to commit an act of terrorism without the government stopping you before you can carry it out. Everyone else is just being paranoid and deluded and believing the pro-Liberal propaganda that civil rights are being violated despite a lack of evidence or proof that anyone's rights are being violated.

Since 9/11 this wiretapping law has prevented 34 terrorist attacks on US soil. If it is appealed, there will be another terrorist attack on US soil, and plenty more after that, because the system will fail to stop them because it would be unable to listen in to phone calls being made to foreign terrorist phone numbers to get orders to carry out those attacks.

All stories like this do, are give aid and support to terrorists out there. Thanks a lot, you are making the public less safe due to your yellow journalism!
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