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March 25, 2008 6:54 AM PDT

Microsoft: All roads lead to Vista

Windows Vista's checkered history is now legend.

Instead of the evolutionary marvel that Microsoft long promised, Vista instead has become synonymous with development delays, shifting feature lists, and spotty driver support.

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No wonder then, more than a year after Vista's release, many consumers and business customers have steadfastly held onto Vista's predecessor, the Windows XP operating system. Microsoft has followed with price cuts and promotions. This is not exactly the "wow" moment the company had in mind. News.com's Ina Fried has chronicled Vista's first year in earlier posts.

Still, we know that all good Windows releases eventually come to an end: Windows XP is stable, widely supported, and ultimately doomed. New PCs with XP installed will begin to disappear this summer. Microsoft will stop selling XP completely next January (although the company will provide support for much longer).

ZDNet's Mary Jo Foley reports that it's unclear when a rumored service pack, SP3, will debut for XP, raising speculation that Microsoft is sending a pointed message about upgrade planning.

On Tuesday, Dell launched a Vista migration program to nudge big companies toward the OS. The PC maker's "client migration solution" will cut migration costs by up to 62 percent and reduce labor by an estimated 88 percent, Dell says.

Microsoft is greasing the skids for Vista acceptance by offering free telephone support for Vista Service Pack 1 through March 2009. (The toll-free call-in number in the U.S. for Vista SP1 help is (866)-234-6020.)

We're still waiting....

(Credit: Caroline McCarthy/CNET News.com)

Despite past "downgrade" offers from Dell and other PCs makers, and even a cottage industry of sorts around removing Vista from new PCs, most of us will likely be using Vista sometime in the near future.

Is that a bad thing? In my view, no, it's not. Let's face it: XP may work, but it's not pretty. Cosmetics aside, when Vista works well--and in truth that's more and more often for me--it works very well. I've been running Vista on three machines for well over a year. Compatibility issues are beginning to disappear, my wireless network connection no longer mysteriously vanishes, and other random glitches appear to have been fixed.

Still, maybe I'm setting the bar too low. Should we expect more from Vista? Are you ready to give up XP?

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Give up XP? Not until they pry it from my fingers...
by Save_Me_from_my_Govt March 25, 2008 8:21 AM PDT
Ready to give up XP? Not until they pry it from my dead, cold fingers...(As I'm sure they will one of these days.)

Why on earth, would I switch to something that is a resource hog, runs slower, and is a monument to "features in search of an application", when I have something that is stable, runs fine, does what I want it to do, and is configured the way *I* want it, and NOT the way Microsoft thinks it should be?

I'm buying a couple of extra copies right now of XP/Pro for the future...The next PC I buy will surely have Vista pre-installed on it, and the first thing I do will be to wipe the disk and install XP.
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I'm learning to like it- well maybe tolerate is a better word...
by RainCaster March 25, 2008 8:32 AM PDT
I am slowly becoming a convert. I have had problems with the wifi drivers hanging the machine, but those have been fixed now. Other problems with performance have also been fixed by just adding more memory- hey it's a cheap fix.

I'm still not so sure about the "gadgets" and "sidebar" thing, and I do still prefer FireFox, even though the newly tabbed version of IE is getting more stable. I despise the UAC thing, in spite of Microsoft's warm fuzzy explanations about how much safer my machine is now.
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How much longer do we have to listen to this B.S. about Vista
by WJeansonne March 25, 2008 8:34 AM PDT
Man, I tell you Vista is so much better than XP ever was. The fools in the media (and Appleheads, Freeloaders, Open Sourcers etc.) keep spinning this negative bull**it about Vista. People, XP is a dinosaur compared to Vista, pure and simple. Try it and you will love it.
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Simple solution...
by bkarwin March 25, 2008 8:42 AM PDT
After many years as a Windows user, this month I switched to a
Macbook Pro. Now everything just works. Why bother with Vista
when you can use the OS it's trying (read: failing) to match?
Windows PC's are cheaper, but apparently you get what you pay for.
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Eventually We'll all love it
by pfrabott March 25, 2008 8:43 AM PDT
If everyone is honest with themselves they would remind everyone how they felt when Windows XP first came out. I mean com'on. When I first touched XP in 2001 all the applications I had developed myself broke and most of the professional applications and video games I liked failed. It took me a few months to get them XP ready. On top of that XP was very slow and had lots of problems. I remember one time for about 90 days I received a blue screen every 48 hours. When SP1 for XP came, it fixed several problems but broke other things. It wasn't until SP2 that most people fully accepted XP. By SP1 for XP, most people were using XP. That was a year and a half (around) before we reached that point. This has been the same for all versions of Windows. Vista is expected to be no different. nonetheless in another year or so everyone will love Vista. By the time Microsoft brings it's next version of Windows out we will all start saying the same thing about that OS and say to each other "Stay with Vista!".
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The road Vista is on leads straight to a cliff
by The_Decider March 25, 2008 8:45 AM PDT
The only thing Vista is going to do is make more people look to the superior alternatives.

Whether or not MS forces OEM's to ship only Vista is irrelevant. Only the clueless and those with low standards accept Vista.

Dell, HP, etc will keep offering XP or they will lose out to Apple and Linux.

MS still thinks that it can roll out any garbage and people will eat it up. Those days are happily long gone.

Even though Linux and OSX are decades ahead of XP and Vista it is funny that Microsoft's continued incompetence is what is destroying them.
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keep hearding the sheep
by MrEngine March 25, 2008 8:53 AM PDT
in this day and age there are so many different alternatives to the proposed Vista upgrade. i dont understand why anyone would sign onto an operating system that you have to take time to relearn everything you once knew and then pay for it on top of it all.i have tried Vista on 2 different occasions, the only thing i would reccomend this operating system for is gaming and that is only if it is coupled with a suitable graphics card and atleast 2gigs of memory to feed it.
otherwise instead of wasting time relearning the whole thing and paying for it, try one of the versions of linux that are out there. 3 that are very user friendly are Ubuntu Suse and PCLinuxOS.
if you use your pc for mail/surfing/messaging or anything else aside for gaming then these provide 0 cost alternatives for you and to be honest Vista is still playing catch up to some of the 3d desktop effects capable on even the most basic linux distributions. and some of them actually work quite well with much lower hardware standards then Vista. i wont preach any more on the virtues of Linux Microsoft pushes more people towards it daily with thier bloated Vista.
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XP was here once
by oombabwa March 25, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
When XP rolled out it experienced a lot of the same issues, most to a worse degree than Vista has. At the time Windows 98 and 95 with 256 MB of Ram was a cranking system, XP needed at least 512 to see any speed, otherwise the page file hurt performance because of IO speeds of the then slower hard drives. There were a bunch of hardware issues at that transitional time as well. In fact, to truly appreciate XP a new machine was probably in order. Vista has a one up on the initial XP days, windows update has a huge number of hardware drivers available, and at least in my cases I've been able to get the appropriate drivers through it which is extremely nice compared to having to find a vendor's site, identify the proper version of everything, download it and see if it works.

Likewise, manipulating a newly installed OS to a person's liking is quite common, and I'm willing to bet that anyone installing XP still takes some time to set it up to their liking; it's hardly a valid complaint that MS (or ANY software vendor) ships shoddy software because they set default values a certain way.

UAC has it's advantages, a lot of the average low end users that don't comprehend the relationship between their actions on the internet or installing software and the implications that has in regard to all the negative stuff that can happen will definitely benefit from it. So you don't like UAC? Turn it off.

I've run Vista for over a year. Over that course of time, I have had my share of issues. Were the issues caused by Vista? Not all of them, a lot were caused by invalid hardware drivers from the manufacturers, some were caused by Microsoft updates that broke things, but that's not limited to Vista, it seems that their updates are equal opportunity and break other flavors of their operating systems as well. Being a software developer, I accept that, not all things are guaranteed to get caught.

Pre SP1 Vista was fairly solid. SP1 Vista is very solid. XP is also solid. Linux based on the 2.4 kernel is solid. People should use whatever OS they want, but should also remain objective in comparing and not forget the past so easily.
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No road leads to Vista here.
by Penguinisto March 25, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
All of mine lead to OSX, Linux, FreeBSD...

Vista is merely a half-dead and oft-ignored tourist attraction on this freeway, rusting and decaying as the majority of travelers pass it by...

/P
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Are you ready?
by rjdohnert March 25, 2008 9:19 AM PDT
Vista coming to your desktop? Maybe PC/OS will beat it there.

http://pc-os.org
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XP sits on the floor in the corner
by rmva March 25, 2008 9:21 AM PDT
My only XP machine hasn't been plugged in in over three months. It's a relic.
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No Vista here!
by Don Zeigler March 25, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
And there won't be. For the few times a week I need to run Windows, XP is fine. The remainder of the time I'm running Linux.
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Are you kidding?
by mydogaragon March 25, 2008 9:32 AM PDT
I'm no expert, but my experience with Vista has not been good at all. I built a $3300.00 machine to test Vista Ultimate (last year). Did not work due to 0 64bit drivers. When SP1 came out I decide to give it another try. In a word, Failure. While I was able to "play" with Vista for 3 weeks, the final straw was when it lost DNS resolution. After a week of trouble shooting, I find it is a common problem and the only fix is reformat and try again (NOT me baby!). I've also read that MS plans a new OS release in 2010. If true, that gives Vista a total of 3 years shelf life. Seems to me this is a repeat of ME, an OS that was planned as a bridge to a stable OS. And another thing I don't understand, why does MS sell 32 bit OEM OS's? It's suppose to be a 64 bit world now. I can understand 32 bit for older machines, but new ones! I think the answer is the 32 bit is more stable. I think my issues, while not quite as bad, with XP Pro 64 bit bear this fact out. Thus not the huge out cry from the public that we are getting from the tech types. I don't think MS has a handle on true multi-threading in a 64 bit OS. I know it's a Windows world, and I want to play in that world since that is where the majority lay, but I for the 1st time in my life (been dealing in cpu's since '84) am looking hard and the new Apple offerings. In the mean time back to XP pro 32 bit (what a waste of prime 64 bit hardware).
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Between the lines...
by real_bgiel March 25, 2008 9:42 AM PDT
Not too hard to read between the lines of this article:

"Compatibility issues are BEGINNING to disappear"
"Wireless network connections no longer vanish mysteriously"
"Random glitches have been fixed"

And only after using it on three computers for a year. Wow, it probably takes at least two or three years for competing OS's to repair themselves.

I will continue pass on Vista. So will my company.
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Take the plunge, the water is fine!
by Bertbaby March 25, 2008 9:45 AM PDT
I almost wimped out when I got my new machine but I took the plunge anyway with Vista. If you have enough hardware Vista is fine and very stable. I have had remarkably few compatability software or hardware problems and the new featurs such as UAC are easy enough to work around. Is is great? Hell no but it doesn't suck as bad as a lot of the Mac fanboys would have you believe.
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Vista
by rmade414 March 25, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
Vista is in the same class as was fostered on us by WIN98SE. Crap. However, vista does has one redeeming feature. It's looks. I am going to hang on XP as long as I can before I have to go to Linux. But to make life more enjoyable, I have found a FREE Program from CRYSTALXP that not only looks likes Vista but it's better. This program enables you to have your cake and eat it to. Here's the address
: http://www.crystalxp.net/bricopack/en.htm
You can have your choice of four different versions. This is an extremely easy install and absolutely has caused no slowdown's or problems. It's fantastic.
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Vista & Dell are just sad...
by Understarsidream March 25, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
I was looking for a new laptop last week and trying to stay away from Vista since I've only heard bad things from friends. One of my friends told me to price an Apple Powerbook vs. a Dell.

Here's the shocker... the Dell was more expensive (though not by much). I even went so far as to call Dell and ask if I could get a laptop without all that annoying crap/trial/useless software they put on my last laptop. They said no. They also said if I wanted Windows XP, I'd have to take a lesser machine.

Microsoft/Dell.. making customers miserable.
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Big deal!
by Steve Jordan March 25, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
I can say the same things about Windows 2000: It works well, doesn't give me problems, have all my drivers, don't lose network connectivity, etc. So... why did we switch in the first place?

Just to make Microsoft more money.
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vista, worm virus extraordinaire?
by giantpeach March 25, 2008 10:28 AM PDT
so many issues, arm tired of pointing a stick at. Yesterday, checking Yahoo mail, sudden memory dump, blue screen, force restart. I have only one user, was logged on as admin, I clicked on some links that come installed on Vista to My Documents--"Access Denied, must have admin rights"--LOL, *** (why pre-install these links if NO ONE can use them?) UAC makes editing any file in ANY way completely a headache, I am constantly editing files, changing names, replacing files, and UAC totally BOMBED my workflow. How many CD's have you wasted with Vista's default "live CD" option when you go to burn? Have you noticed IE7 stops functioning normally after installing firefox on vista? You know the real world requires efficiency over eye-candy 100% of the time?

People will realize once and for all what a brick vista is if, according to this article, all companies upgrade. I CRINGE at the thought. Stop blaming Vista vitriol on mac fan boys, I'll NEVER give up my pirate copies of XP.

:D And if XP is a dinosaur, Vista is the tarpit that sucked up a viable creature.
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Vista, the Windows ME of this decade...
by pjerky March 25, 2008 10:53 AM PDT
Listen, I know they have made improvements to Vista, but the
hardware it is sold on just doesn't run it well unless you go high
end. Most systems people buy can't run it well. So you have lost
your dang mind if you think Vista is good. Maybe in 3-5 more
years hardware will be able to run it acceptably well at a price
point near $700, but until then its crap with Vista on it. The
performance differences are like night and day (and don't you try
to deny it). Most people don't really care how pretty it is as long
as it will run what they need well they are happy.

So stop giving free advertisement for a Microsoft product that
should have never been released in its initial state.
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