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March 28, 2008 11:09 AM PDT

Newsmaker: Turning over a new leaf at Quark

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Criticized heavily in recent times for selling what some believe to be an overpriced and outdated product with a lack of customer support, Quark is at pains to affirm that it has finally gotten its house in order.

CNET News.com sister site ZDNet UK spoke to Quark CEO Ray Schiavone to examine the company's claim that it is revolutionizing publishing--again--with its "new" architectural approach to dynamic publishing across multiple media formats.

Q: You took up your position in November 2006; what was your initial reaction when you looked at the company's core product?
Schiavone: What I saw was a technology that had the potential to be extended to work across a wider set of environments. I wanted us to be able to offer tools that could automate tasks within a clearly defined architecture that could span the entire publishing process, from creation to management of content to publishing and, finally, to delivery.

What kind of feedback did you get from your customers when you spoke to them about the state of your product set?
Schiavone: I spent the first couple of weeks in the job talking personally to our enterprise customers to perform a kind of high-level "requirements analysis" process. What I heard was that publishing professionals wanted a product that was more consistent with the other tools that they were used to using, from standard Office-type applications to traditional Adobe tools to the Web.

Our customers wanted us to retain many of the original features of QuarkXPress that had drawn them to the product in the first place. But they also wanted a whole new set of features that they had been asking to see for a long time; we're quite open about our shortcomings here and so have opted to call these our "finally features."

To make these things happen and produce a new product, we had to get down to a quite granular level and actually examine workflow scenarios in large and small publishing and page-design houses.

So why did Quark drop off the radar to such a degree over, say, the last four years?
Schiavone: It may well have been down to some pent-up anxiety over the level of customer service we were delivering, particularly in Europe, but we are fixing this. We may also have been perceived as expensive. I mean, people probably looked at Adobe's products and probably felt that they had to buy PageMaker and Illustrator, so they pretty much got InDesign free anyway. For these reasons and others, when I joined the company, I wanted to see us perform a significant level of re-engineering.

The shift to upgrade your products' code base and release QuarkXPress 7.0 to market must have been huge compared to previous versions. How did you ensure that you got it right when failure could have finally written you off?
Schiavone: Bringing QuarkXPress 7.0 to release was indeed a massive code change and it required extensive testing, both in-house and in the field. There are over 160 new features between 6.0 and 7.0, which include elements such as the workflow support that I mentioned earlier and enhanced XML support for content sharing. There was also a huge amount of work done to bring in drop-shadowing, transparencies, and composition zones.

What was important was that we held some features back until they had progressed fully through their own development cycles. This meant that versions 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3 were able to feature some now more fully evolved features and some which came about as a result of user feedback in the wake of the 7.0 release.

We have worked with the Photoshop and Illustrator teams longer than Adobe's InDesign team has, so we think we know what we're doing by now.

Does your dynamic publishing architecture (DPA) strategy hold water or have your customers merely perceived this as a marketing tool?
Schiavone: The DPA approach we have detailed is based on the reality of modern publishing environments, where content is initially produced in a variety of formats from Word, to HTML, to XML, to InDesign or QuarkXPress. That content then enters the "manage" phase, where storage to a content-management system occurs and options for search then exist. Selected content then moves to a transformation engine inside a QuarkXPress server so that it can finally be output to print, to Web sites, mobile devices, or another form of desktop delivery, such as an RSS feed.

Our clients tell us that this is the type of tool set they want to support the way they work now. They want to be able to get content to the Web first and then repurpose it without the chore and delay of a cut-and-paste process. Essentially, publishing is done (in) the same way that it (has always been); it is still "computerized," so to speak, but now we need it to be automated too.

So who is using QuarkXPress, and how?
Schiavone: Our U.K. customers include Time Out and Metro International, both of whom have a need to break content down into reusable components and then push it out into a variety of different channels. Based on preset rules that govern their own publishing environments, the speed of publishing workflow can be considerably increased here. What's happening in the market, as a result of this type of publishing, is that circulation volumes are getting lower but a larger total number of "tailored" titles are coming to market.

Your competitor, Adobe, has extended its product set to include rich Internet applications and emerging areas of Web development, such as online word processing. Do you see Quark's catch-up strategy trying to follow this lead?
Schiavone: We will not be pursuing those kinds of developments. We are focused on dynamic publishing and will remain focused on our core competencies in page production and helping to develop content for multiple channels. Quark is still a private company and we have never made the decision to go public or try to be bought out. If you stop and think about it, we have worked with the Photoshop and Illustrator teams longer than Adobe's InDesign team has, so we think we know what we're doing by now.

Adrian Bridgwater of ZDNet UK reported from London.

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Too Little, too late
by Galaxy5 March 28, 2008 12:06 PM PDT
I'll be the first to say it; I keep an old PPC Mac around to run XPress
3.1.1 in Classic, but after they delivered such underwhelming
products during the 2000-20005 timeframe, I literally forgot
about them.

It'll be nice to see some competition for Adobe, but frankly, I think
most people have been fed up with Quark for so long that it'd take
a miracle to reform the company and product's image.
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Right on
by wango2007 March 28, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
You're exactly right. I held on until ver 5.01, but then felt Quark was a lost cause.

The Adobe Suite is indeed sweet. Why push the river when you can just let it flow?
They're Toast
by rileykeiko March 28, 2008 2:00 PM PDT
Quark's customer service ranks in the basement in the annals of
tech service. They were so arrogant and unhelpful that I couldn't
wait to switch my company to InDesign. They're talking 2006. You
can only screw your customers for so long until they decide they've
had enough. See ya Quark.
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Pagemaker? Sheesh!
by junglepayne March 28, 2008 3:13 PM PDT
doesn't seem like he knows his competition quite as well as he might presume...no wonder they are not a player on the same stage as Adobe.

"...probably felt that they had to buy PageMaker and Illustrator, so they pretty much got InDesign free anyway"
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Former CEO Kamar Aulakh killed the company
by ServedUp March 28, 2008 3:15 PM PDT
The damage has been done. Companies are moving over to
Indesign in droves. Its a mass exodus. For one its cheaper, two
they upgrade more often then Quark did, when they had control
of this market. Adobe puts "real" functionality into their
upgrades which has probably saved many a Designer from
getting headaches. Quark stayed at Version 3 for more than five
years and they couldn't even display EPS files properly. I mean,
whats up with that?

But the former CEO was such a moron not to have prepared
XPress for the first version of MacOS X. That was the biggest
blunder that sent him packing from the company. I mean what a
complete moron he never understood his target audience at all.
He only saw dollar signs hanging from Gate's pocket and saw
him as a savior. LOL! What a moron!
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DOA
by Goodbye Helicopter March 28, 2008 5:00 PM PDT
Quark was DOA with the release of version 5.
They treated their customers like thieves all through the version
4 era when they were the only serious option in the professional
printing world. Then they were late to migrate to OS X and at a
ridiculous pricing structure. They too mistakenly believed Apple
was doomed and focused on a non-existent Windows market.
Apple came back like gangbusters. Adobe priced them out of
the market and steadily improved InDesign while gobbling up
Macromedia. And these days, it is stupid easy to create
consumer grade page layout/word processing apps. The rest is
history, as they say...
Quark Xpress was always quirky, and now it will only be to their
benefit to get bought by Microsoft. Apple definitely won't buy
them because they can develop (and possibly are developing)
their own pro page layout app in-house with private APIs.
They've already beaten Adobe at the video game and are very
competitive in the motion graphics game. They've made
incredible strides in the office app game and are currently
making massive inroads in the industry with the MacBook and
MacBook Pro and iPhone. I would not be shocked to see Apple
release a page layout app in Japan first. Probably the most
lucrative market for such an app...
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I use to work at Quark and . . . .
by farmerbob March 29, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
. . . what really happened is that they let their ego and severely bad TS/CS get in the way of business. And it was just enough to let Indesign get a good foothold. They screwed themselves and no amount of corporate BS from a new CEO is going to fix the bad waters. They're scrambling for their lives at 1800 Grant Street.
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Quark, The New Pagemaker
by ionlyneeditonce April 2, 2008 6:22 PM PDT
Quark's arrogance cost them an untold number of customers, including all three ad agencies I worked with over the past decade. Quark's insistence that every customer is a thief made installing the thing a trial unto itself, and thanks to Quark's customer service, installing was just the beginning of the pain if you were unlucky enough to have problems with the software.

Today, Quark is "Pagemaker" for a whole new generation of agencies, designers and desktop publishers... an outdated and unsupported piece of software sitting on an extra computer just in case a client or archived file needs to be recovered.
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by cnettester2008 November 19, 2008 6:08 AM PST
interesting
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